Thresholds for using a load balancer in front of a PSN

blandrum — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:03:13 GMT

I have a large higher-ed customer who was burned a few years back on WiSM2s running out of RADIUS sessions IDs during class change. They eventually spread their wireless clients out across 22 WiSM2s before they finally felt comfortable enough with the load to move forward. Fast-forward a few years and they’re consolidating down to 5-7 8540 WLCs and are concerned about the same issue occurring, only worse due to number of devices growing over the years. Do we have any kind of guidelines on maximum number of clients / RADIUS sessions to expect on a WLC -> ISE PSN before we should introduce a stateful load balancer to begin distributing?

Re: Thresholds for using a load balancer in front of a PSN

Craig Hyps — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:32:31 GMT

You would need to reach out to wireless team to get the max sessions per WLC platform.

Max RADIUS sessions per ISE PSN is documented here: ISE Performance & Scale

Of course, max is not what you design against and should take into consideration bursts, HA/redundancy requirements, and unexpected activity from "misbehaving" clients or NADs. Auth method is another consideration since web auth scale is lower than MAB only, or 802.1X.

I mention a number of items to consider to scale wireless and guest in Cisco Live session BRKSEC-3699 (reference version) available on ciscolive.com.

My general recommendation on use of load balancer to distribute load starts after 2 or 3 PSNs. If a single WLC can fully accommodate the load including bursts and unexpected noise, then a basic A/S or mutual A/A redundancy scheme may suffice, but if require more PSNs to support load, then manual distribution efforts become challenging and more prone to error. Plus there is the opex cost of having to reconfigure NADs when add/remove PSNs or change their addressing.

Craig

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