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    <title>topic ISE License consumption monitoring when no radius accounting is used in Network Access Control</title>
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    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have studied the ISE licensing consumption theory in &lt;A href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/ise/2-0/admin_guide/b_ise_admin_guide_20/b_ise_admin_guide_20_chapter_0110.html#concept_F7FC0B895D284727B8E3DDDBCAD1A23A"&gt;Chapter 20 of the ISE 2.2 Admin Guide&lt;/A&gt;, but I still have a question about a particular use case.&amp;nbsp; What happens if a user is authenticated via Radius and authorised, but the NAD (for whatever reason) does not send any radius accounting records?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a customer who has written an in-house application that has a radius API for web portal authentication - they are presently using ACS 5.4 and want to migrate to ISE 2.2.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; They have purchased a 100,000 Base license.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am concerned that the ISE base licenses will increment after every successful AuthN/AuthZ, but ISE will never decrement the license usage because it has no idea when the session ended. Did I understand this correctly?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In analysing the customer's existing ACS system I have also seen instances where a NAD is sending more Accounting Stop's than Accounting Starts (bug?) - surely ISE must have some clever correlation mechanism that ensures that for every Accounting Start of SessionID-X, it will only decrement the license pool when Accounting Stop for that same SessionID-X is received - how does ISE ensure that it knows how to correlate the Accounting Start and Stop for a single session?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And lastly, what happens if ISE receives the Accounting Start, but due to UDP packet loss, the Accounting Stop is never received?&amp;nbsp; Will ISE ever release that license?&amp;nbsp; Is there some periodic license consumption clean-up that is done?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;appreciate any replies on this&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;regards&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Arne Bier &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:31:56 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Arne Bier</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-03-29T04:31:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>ISE License consumption monitoring when no radius accounting is used</title>
      <link>https://community.cisco.com/t5/network-access-control/ise-license-consumption-monitoring-when-no-radius-accounting-is/m-p/3569835#M530485</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have studied the ISE licensing consumption theory in &lt;A href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/ise/2-0/admin_guide/b_ise_admin_guide_20/b_ise_admin_guide_20_chapter_0110.html#concept_F7FC0B895D284727B8E3DDDBCAD1A23A"&gt;Chapter 20 of the ISE 2.2 Admin Guide&lt;/A&gt;, but I still have a question about a particular use case.&amp;nbsp; What happens if a user is authenticated via Radius and authorised, but the NAD (for whatever reason) does not send any radius accounting records?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a customer who has written an in-house application that has a radius API for web portal authentication - they are presently using ACS 5.4 and want to migrate to ISE 2.2.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; They have purchased a 100,000 Base license.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am concerned that the ISE base licenses will increment after every successful AuthN/AuthZ, but ISE will never decrement the license usage because it has no idea when the session ended. Did I understand this correctly?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In analysing the customer's existing ACS system I have also seen instances where a NAD is sending more Accounting Stop's than Accounting Starts (bug?) - surely ISE must have some clever correlation mechanism that ensures that for every Accounting Start of SessionID-X, it will only decrement the license pool when Accounting Stop for that same SessionID-X is received - how does ISE ensure that it knows how to correlate the Accounting Start and Stop for a single session?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And lastly, what happens if ISE receives the Accounting Start, but due to UDP packet loss, the Accounting Stop is never received?&amp;nbsp; Will ISE ever release that license?&amp;nbsp; Is there some periodic license consumption clean-up that is done?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;appreciate any replies on this&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;regards&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Arne Bier &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:31:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.cisco.com/t5/network-access-control/ise-license-consumption-monitoring-when-no-radius-accounting-is/m-p/3569835#M530485</guid>
      <dc:creator>Arne Bier</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-29T04:31:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: ISE License consumption monitoring when no radius accounting is used</title>
      <link>https://community.cisco.com/t5/network-access-control/ise-license-consumption-monitoring-when-no-radius-accounting-is/m-p/3569836#M530487</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;See excerpt from my Cisco Live session BRKSEC-3699 on automatic session management.&amp;nbsp; In short, ISE will clear sessions within 1 hr if not Accounting Start/Update.&amp;nbsp; Others will get cleared after 5 days of no activity.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Clearing Stale Sessions:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;•&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;STRONG&gt;RADIUS Accounting&lt;/STRONG&gt; is Primary method to maintain sessions – Start/Update/Stop! &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; If RADIUS Accounting not sent (or not received due to network or PSN load drops), ISE will rely on Session Purge operation to clear stale sessions &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;•&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;STRONG&gt;Automatic Purge:&lt;/STRONG&gt; A purge job runs approximately every 5 minutes to clear sessions that meet any of the following criterion:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1. Endpoint disconnected (Ex: failed authentication) in the last 15 minutes (grace time allotted in case of authentication retries)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2. Endpoint authenticated in last hour but no accounting start or update received&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 3. Endpoint idle—no activity (authentication / accounting / posturing / profiling updates) in the last 5 days &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; * Note: Session is cleared from MnT but does not generate CoA to prevent negative impact to connected endpoints.&amp;nbsp; In other words, MnT session is no longer visible but it is possible for endpoint to still have network access, but no longer consumes license. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;•&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;STRONG&gt;Manual Purge via REST API:&lt;/STRONG&gt; HTTP DELETE API can manually delete inactive sessions. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt; An example web utility that supports HTTP DELETE operation is cURL&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;A class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/ise/1.2/api_ref_guide/ise_api_ref_ch2.html#wp1072950" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/ise/1.2/api_ref_guide/ise_api_ref_ch2.html#wp1072950&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.cisco.com/t5/network-access-control/ise-license-consumption-monitoring-when-no-radius-accounting-is/m-p/3569836#M530487</guid>
      <dc:creator>Craig Hyps</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-29T12:10:38Z</dc:date>
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