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Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 15:38:13 GMT

Hi All,

We are looking to create wireless bridge between 2 sites. We intend to use 1562D Access Point as autonomous APs.

I just checked this AP comes either with Lightweight Image or Mobility Express Image.

Since we won't be using any controller, my question is:

Is it possible to use 1562D for wireless bridge using Mobility Express?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Wed, 16 May 2018 06:53:26 GMT

Not possible.

Mobility Express image allow AP to run WLC functionality within it. It is not act as autonomous image where you can put radios into "Root Bridge /Non-Root Bridge/WorkGroup Bridge mode)

As of today, If you are using 1562, then you have to have a WLC & use those AP as Mesh mode.

HTH

Rasika

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Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Wed, 16 May 2018 07:00:28 GMT

If we need to use autonomous bridge, should we go with 1532E?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Wed, 16 May 2018 07:06:50 GMT

Refer this link for Cisco outdoor & industrial grade AP comparison.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/wireless/outdoor-wireless/compare-outdoor-and-industrial-access-points.html

1532E would work, it is 802.11n (not 11ac supported).

See if IW3702 (Industrial Wireless 3702 Access Point) model is suitable for your work, which is 11ac & come with Autonomous image.

HTH

Rasika

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Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Sandeep Choudhary — Wed, 16 May 2018 07:06:56 GMT

Agree with Rasika.

ME doesnt support bridge /mesh mode.

YEs you can go with 1532E

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Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Wed, 16 May 2018 07:19:23 GMT

Thanks Rasika,

1532E has 2 interfaces, WAN (which is PoE) and LAN.

For autonomous point to point, which port should we use?

Since we'll be bridging 2 sites, I believe we have to enable Ethernet Bridging (which uses LAN port), correct me if I'm wrong?

If that's the case, do we need to run 2 cables per AP? One to provide Power over Ethernet (connected to WAN interface) and other to provide data (connected to LAN interface)?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Wed, 16 May 2018 07:35:52 GMT

You have to use PoE-IN port , if you powering AP from a PoE switch or Injector. In that way that is the connection going to switch on your branch.

Refer below installation guide for more details.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/access_point/1530/installation/guide/1530hig.pdf

LAN port can be used for back hauling each other like below

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-1530-series/data_sheet_c78-728356.html

HTH

Rasika

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Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Wed, 16 May 2018 22:41:45 GMT

Thanks Rasika,

Does it mean LAN interface is used for Serial Backhaul. (which makes sense).

In our case, we don't have to use LAN interface at all? All the data traffic will be going through WAN interface and enabling ethernet bridging from GUI/CLI will allow WAN interface to carry VLAN traffic between the sites?

The following statement confused us:

The 1532 has 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports, the PoE-in port, which is the main WAN port, and an additional LAN port. The PoE-in port should be used to power the access point and connect to a WLC. The LAN port will be used for Ethernet Bridging and Daisy chaining.

Based on above statement, I thought to power the APs with injector (not connecting the cable to switch, only connecting the cable to WAN port for power). Also, run another cable from switch to LAN interface to carry data. (which seems like a weird solution).

Please find attached diagram what we would like to achieve.

Any thoughts please?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 03:59:43 GMT

In our case, we don't have to use LAN interface at all?

Yes, that's correct.

All the data traffic will be going through WAN interface and enabling ethernet bridging from GUI/CLI will allow WAN interface to carry VLAN traffic between the sites?

I do not think you require, Ethernet bridging feature. In simple Autonomous Bridge is what you require, see below post

https://mrncciew.com/2013/11/09/wireless-bridge-with-eap-fast/

In that statement, Ethernet Bridging may refer to use with daisy chain solution. See below

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/wireless/aironet-1530-series/200052-8-0-Mesh-ethernet-bridging-and-daisy-cha.html

HTH

Rasika

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Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 04:31:26 GMT

Hi Rasika,

I've seen your blogs with detailed configs which are too useful. I was only confused as which port should I use.

In our case, all we need to do is to connect both APs' WAN ports to PoE switch and the WAN port will carry all the traffic?

To enable multiple VLAN traffic, all we need to do is to configure switchport as trunk port?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:26:17 GMT

Yes, that is right.

Keep us posted once you set it up & tested.

Rasika

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:33:09 GMT

I'll update the discussion once we test this.
Thanks a lot.

Also, would it the same when site A has a connection to controller and site B doesn't?
Would we still use WAN port and leave the LAN port?
Thanks.

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:41:46 GMT

Hi Guys,

Just an update. I just went through the datasheet for 1562D and it says, it could be used with Mobility Express.

Flexible deployment modes

Allows for deployment of the 1560 in a variety of ways including point -to-point and mesh networks; it can also be deployed with the Cisco Mobility Express Solution, which is ideal f or small to medium -sized deployments that supports multiple access points without a physical controller; all deployment modes are easy to set up and configure

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:42:17 GMT

Also, would it the same when site A has a connection to controller and site B doesn't?
Would we still use WAN port and leave the LAN port?

Yes, In this case you will use those AP in mesh mode & let WLC to manage them (no autonomous. Still use the PoE in port & not the 2nd LAN port.

Below may provide more detailed info in that scenario

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/technology/mesh/8-0/design/guide/mesh80/Connecting_the_Cisco_1500_Series_Mesh_Access_Points_to_the_Network.html

HTH

Rasika

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:45:19 GMT

That's true, 1562 can be act as Mobility Express. That does not allow you to have wireless bridge between given two buildings.

Hope that clears

Rasika

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 05:51:28 GMT

Guess I got excited or misinterpreted the statement.
I'll also have a look at the other AP you suggested IW3702.
Can IW3702 be used for Point to Point/mesh links just like 1532E?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 06:07:24 GMT

Yes, IW3702 support both Autonomous mode & Lightweight (Mesh/local/FlexConnect/etc)

Rasika

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 06:22:57 GMT

For 120m Line of Sight, which antenna would be suitable to use with IW3702 AP?

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

Rasika Nayanajith — Thu, 17 May 2018 09:17:27 GMT

I would go with AIR-ANT2566P4W-R

Here is more detail about that antenna type

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/connectedgrid/antennas/installing-combined/industrial-routers-and-industrial-wireless-antenna-guide/AIR-ANT2566P4W-R.html

HTH

Rasika

Re: Wireless Bridge using Mobility Express

dot1x — Thu, 17 May 2018 22:36:32 GMT

Thanks for all the details Rasika, it all cleared my doubts.
Also, is there any specific rule for antennas' coverage range based on dBi values?
I mean an antenna with xx dBi value would be suitable for yy range of distance (in meters)?