topic 2500 WLC, attach AP? in Wireless

2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 03:46:05 GMT

Hi,

i was checking the documentation on the 2500 WLAN controller... it states "The Power over Ethernet (PoE) ports on the Cisco 2500 Series Wireless Controller will not support directly attached APs." ... if that is true, what are those PoE ports good for?????

i have a scenario with just two APs (for now) the 2500 would be perfect IF i could plug the APs directly into the WLC... any plans to support that? Or is just an error in the documentation?

Regards,

Michael

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

Rob Huffman — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:45:27 GMT

Hi Michael,

We don't use any 2500 series WLC's so I can't test this for you,

but this doc does indicate a different scenario than the one you saw

Cisco 2500 Series Controller

The Cisco 2500 Series Wireless Controller works in conjunction with Cisco lightweight access points and the Cisco Wireless Control System (WCS) to provide system-wide wireless LAN functions. As a component of the Cisco Unified Wireless Network (CUWN), the Cisco 2500 Series controller provides real-time communication between a wireless access points and other devices to deliver centralized security policies, guest access, wireless intrusion prevention system (wIPS), context-aware (location), RF management, quality of services for mobility services such as voice and video, and OEAP support for the teleworker solution.

Cisco 2500 Series Wireless Controllers support up to 50 lightweight access points in increments of 5 and 25 access points with a minimum of 5 access points. The Cisco 2504 Wireless Controller comes with four 4 Giga bit Ethernet ports, two of which can provide power directly to Cisco lightweight access points.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/controller/7.0MR1/configuration/guide/cg_overview.html#wp1169709

Cheers!

Rob

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

pcroak — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:10:52 GMT

Hi Michael, Rob,

Directly connected APs are not supported on the 2500 platform. Please see the 2500 deployment guide:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/ps11630/products_tech_note09186a0080b8450c.shtml#hardware

"The Power over Ethernet (PoE) ports on the Cisco 2500 Series Wireless Controller will not support directly attached APs."

Regarding the configuration guide link that you found Rob, this is a documentation error and I will submit a documentation bug to resolve it. In the bullet list below that section, we do see the correct statement:

• Does not support access points in direct connect mode

-Patrick Croak

Wireless TAC

2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:15:53 GMT

Thanks for your answers guys!

i think the whole documentation needs some work... the getting started guide states

3 & 4 POE

GigE Power-over-Ethernet (POE) ports

The Gigabit POE ports are RJ-45 connector form-factor. They provide a I2C communications channel between the PSE controller and host CPU TWSI bus #1. This interface supports the proper voltage isolation as defined by 802.3. The POE controller is configured to I2C address 0x40/41 (0100 000r/w).

The POE controller reset is driven from system reset. If software needs to reset the POE controller, it can do so over I2C.

Note Ports 3 and 4 are PoE only ports; do not connect access point devices to these ports. The ports can be used for infra-switch connection using multiple an AP-Manager or data interface.

HUH?

anyway: is this "no directly attached APs" a temporary issue and will be enabled later on? If yes, when can we expect this?

If not i don't see the point of the PoE ports... and i don't really know how to tell the customer "yeah, the controller has PoE ports but you cannot use them and you still need to buy a PoE switch, even if you just connect two APs"...

Michael

2500 WLC, attach AP?

Rob Huffman — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:37:33 GMT

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the correct update on this (+5 )

And thanks for working towards the documentation adjustment as well

it's always bad, as Michael nicely noted when you have to explain to the customer

or your boss that they need to spend more money $$ due to an error in the docs.

Cheers!

Rob

2500 WLC, attach AP?

EvaldasOu — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:33:07 GMT

Hi.

So the real answer is?

Can we use these PoE ports with directly attached AP's or not?

2500 WLC, attach AP?

jryanearl — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:30:59 GMT

Hello,

In regards to direct attach not working: I have a 2504 WLC with 3 3502 APs direct attached each to untagged interfaces, and the CAPWAP tunnel gets established without problems. It's been running with stability for some time. What specifically is unsupported about this configuration, or won't work? If the APs have a CAPWAP tunnel to the WLC, isn't that's all that is required for the APs to have full functionality?

Confused... Seems to work well enough.

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

Scott Fella — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:33:35 GMT

It's just not supported by TAC. Yes it will work if you want the AP's on the same subnet as the management... Just not supported.

Thanks,

Scott Fella

Sent from my iPhone

2500 WLC, attach AP?

pcroak — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:13:30 GMT

Basically, we did not formally test all scenarios with directly connected APs, and as such we cannot state that it is fully supported. It may work just fine as it is in your case, although there are some limitations (for example, I don't believe you can ping or telnet/ssh to the APs in this configuration).

-Pat

2500 WLC, attach AP?

jryanearl — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:56:49 GMT

Thank you for the response, this makes sense. You are correct regarding telnet/ssh, I have to use console access to manage the APs directly. However, once configured enough to establish a CAPWAP tunnel, there appears to be little other reason to need direct management outside of what the WLC provides.

My main worry was that multicast wouldn't work or something more functionally relavant. I currently don't have enough ports on the 3650X-24T-L running this office to connect the APs to it so this is temporary until I can get a 48-porter. Multicast isn't working right now as I wait for the L-to-S (L2 to L3) license upgrade for the current switch to go through, which is what I was most worried about. Everyone wants Apple Bounjour = Airplay and printer discovery. As far as I can tell, multicast should work with wired while the APs are direct-attached as soon as I get the switch upgraded to L3.

Anyway, a little background, thanks for the information.

2500 WLC, attach AP?

pcroak — Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:09:20 GMT

Now that you mention it, unfortunately I think multicast is one functional feature that does not work with directly connected APs. The 2500 uses Multicast > Multicast replication mode, meaning a multicast packet received is then sent via multicast to the APs (which are joined to the WLC multicast IP address configured). Directly connected APs may not properly join this multicast group, so they do not receive the traffic.

It's possible that your switch software is also related, but you might hit a limitation with this deployment model on the WLC.

-Pat

2500 WLC, attach AP?

jryanearl — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:22:28 GMT

I did further testing after performing the L3 license upgrade on the office switch, and I was required to have to the APs attached to the L3-enabled switch with 'ip multicast-routing distributed' set in order to get multicast and the Apple Bonjuor protocol to work.

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:28:25 GMT

Hi,

i just tested with 3502 APs directly attached to (and powered by) the 2504.

Bonjour and more specific AirPrint, AirPlay and Timemachine work fine.

Michael

2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:32:01 GMT

yes but it is UNTESTED and UNSUPPORTED by cisco, so you cannot really use it in any customer network.

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

jryanearl — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:43:28 GMT

Were you testing between devices on your wired and wireless networks, or just on the wireless? How were your interfaces configured?

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:11:09 GMT

Hi,

Printer, AppleTV and iPod/iPhone/iPad on wireless (on different APs and frequencies), TimeMachine on wired network.

i did not configure the interfaces at all, i just pluuged the APs into the POE ports... just port 1 is configured for management.

Regards,

Michael

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

Flavio Boniforti — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:45:43 GMT

Hello everybody.

I'm also trying to configure this "directly attached APs": what is the trick to make it work? What has to be done to get my LAP on PoE port 4 to get it's IP from the WLC DHCP? join the WLC with CAPWAPP? They are physically connected to port3 and 4, get the IP lease from the DHCP server in my LAN (port1 of the WLC is connected to that LAN too), but do not join the WLC!

Thanks,

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

mkoch — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:05:02 GMT

Hey,

i hooked the two APs into my network, they got IPs with DHCP, attached to the WLC.

i changed the IPs of the APs to fixed and replugged them into the PoE ports... that works fine

background:

IP does NOT really work THROUGH the WLC but TO the WLC, so you have top make sure no traffic (like DHCP) must pass the WLC.

This is also the reason you cannot ping, telnet etc. to APs from the wired network.

IMHO someone at Cisco forgot the ethernet bridging code on the PoE ports

Regards,

Michael

P.S: i still think cisco should fix this ASAP!!!

Re: 2500 WLC, attach AP?

Flavio Boniforti — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:29:31 GMT

Hello Michael,

IP does work throught the WLC (with both firmwares 7.0 and 7.2)!

I was just attaching 2 LAPs which were previously configured as Mesh APs. After doing "clear lwapp private-config" everything worked fine.

Thus the conclusion is: PoE ports are OK to connect LAPs to them and DHCP servers sitting in the LAN (which has to be in the same range of the management interface of the WLC) will be able to lease out IPs.

Kind regards,

2500 WLC, attach AP?

zheka_pefti — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:34:22 GMT

Folks,
Can someone please explain how to configure the controller with this PoE port 3 or 4 to somehow work with directly attached AP? I have 3602E AP with a recovery image AP3G2-RCVK9W8-M connected to the controller.

The AP can't join the controller because it doesn't have the IP address:

*Dec 2 07:06:37.991: %CAPWAP-3-ERRORLOG: Not sending discovery request AP does not have an Ip !!

How will I configure the port 4 to be on the same VLAN as the management interface to receive IP from the DHCP server?

Alternatively I don't mind having the controller issue the IP to the AP. I tried to configure the local DHCP scope on the controller but it doesn't work.

Help please, I'm not going to deploy it to the customer. Just need it in our office for tests and integration with ISE.