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Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 06:52:29 GMT

Hi all.

I've just been tasked with setting up 19 AIR-CT2504 WLCs with AIR-CAP3502E APs. The primary objective is to maximize throughput from clients uploading LARGE files over the air.

I need to make sure I config HT 802.11n properly with no support for legacy clients in the 5Ghz band.

Any tips or a check list?

Thanks!

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

George Stefanick — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:58:00 GMT

The problem is even if you enable greenfield if you are neigbors with 802.11a/n networks your network will suffer. So the question is, do you have neigboring networks in range of your wifi ?

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Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:02:31 GMT

Most likely there will be neighboring 5Ghz networks at most locations, some of which I control.

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

George Stefanick — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:07:20 GMT

If the networks are close, with in 20db you could suffer issues. 802.11n inroduced 3 PPDUs.

Leagcy

Mix

Green Field

Almost all networks run mix. if you run green field all your client would need to support 802.11n. Also you design would need to support data rates and cell sizes. But again bigger issue is your neigbors. If a 802.11a client starts to trigger frames your green field will feel it ..

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:26:09 GMT

Let's assume I control neighboring 5Ghz networks and can shutdown the 5Ghz radios if necessary.

I have been assured that all the clients are fully 5Ghz 802.11n HT capable. We'll see.

Design: outdoor parking areas, probably without much multi-path. Initially only one AP per site. I won't be allowed to survey the sites.

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

George Stefanick — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:44:15 GMT

After looking at the controller and the rates, it doesn't appear you can check box one of the MCS rates as mandatory. One rate at least has to be mandatory. Let me poke around

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

George Stefanick — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:50:30 GMT

This document talks about 802.11n (cisco)

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6366/products_tech_note09186a0080a3443f.shtml

Here is another conversation on the same subject of man rates

https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/330927

This is a good one ..

I don't know if the WLC supports pure greenfield. I dont see a way you can mandatory one of the MCS rates. Perhaps Scott, Leo or Steve can comment ..

Still digging ..

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:11:11 GMT

Thanks George! Good reads. At least with dedicated WLCs at each site vs. H-REAP I can put tighter constraints on clients even if I can't enforce pure Greenfield n.

Waiting for the 2504s to arrive...

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:24:44 GMT

Here's my opinion ...

If you are trying to push LARGE FILES around and you want high speed, using a 2500 is not going to be a wise decision because the 2500, which as FastEthernet ports, will become your bottleneck. If I was to make a choice, I will always choose a 5508.

In regards to high speed, have you purchased your AP yet? If not, then think about looking at the 3600 with the 802.11ac (wave 1) optional module.

Re: Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

George Stefanick — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:46:44 GMT

Leo, you can lag the 2500 with the latest code, right ?

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Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:10:10 GMT

Yes. Latest 7.4.100.0 will allow lag, but still 19 units 3500 and you're WLC is a 2500 ... Still doesn't sit well with me.

Re: Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Scott Fella — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:17:05 GMT

You guys arguing like a married couple:)

Well the 2504 is gigabit and like George mentioned it does support LAG on v7.4. The max throughput with LAG enabled is 2 gigabit, without lag, it is 1 gigabit. I have had issues with LAG on the 2504 and pings dropping though but only had one 2504 to play with. When I disable LAG, I don't run into any issues. This could be because my WLC has been through many beta codes, but just look out just in case you run into an issue with connectivity with LAG enabled on a 2504.

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Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:54:54 GMT

Thanks for the input guys.

I haven't even looked into LAG for this yet.

7.4 will be a pain because I'm still at NCS 1.1.1.24 which doesn't play well with 7.4.

This will be 19 discreet WAN edge sites, each with a dedicated 2504 and one or more 3502E's, per customer specs/request.

I must also upgrade switches at several sites from Fa to Gi.

Large files are to be moved from clients to local SANs only, not over the WAN.

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:45:34 GMT

7.4 will be a pain because I'm still at NCS 1.1.1.24 which doesn't play well with 7.4.

Not it won't. I've got two WiSM-2 running 7.4 and I'm still "stuck" in WCS 7.0.220.0.

Re: Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Scott Fella — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:47:38 GMT

Leo is one of the lucky ones that it still works:)

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Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:58:49 GMT

"Not it won't." ???

Are you saying 7.4 will or won't play well with NCS 1.1.1.24?

I put 7.4 on a new 5508 & couldn't get it added to NCS. I don't want to manage 19 more 2504's individually & had them ordered with 7.3.

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:00:39 GMT

LOL!

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:02:10 GMT

Are you saying 7.4 will or won't play well with NCS 1.1.1.24?

It will.

What error messages do you get when you added them ... hold on. Why do you have to add them back to NCS when you've upgraded the firmware to 7.4?

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

mscherting — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:13:12 GMT

It was a new 5508. I took it out of the box, put a basic config on it manually & upgraded to 7.4 via service port.

This was a few weeks ago and I don't remember the messages, just that the add to NCS failed after racking it up and getting it up on the network.

Enable 802.11n HT (Greenfield)?

Leo Laohoo — Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:05:15 GMT

Ok, maybe you can "trick" NCS.

Downgrade your WLC to, say 7.0.240.0, join to NCS and after it joins, upgrade to 7.4.100.0.