topic Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue in Wireless

Access points 5Ghz speed issue

franckehret — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 18:57:11 GMT

Hi all,

I've a problem with 5Ghz max data rate in a Mobility Express environement. Issue is the same with my 2x2802i and my 2702i access points (see capture of one - 5Ghz speed is the same on all APs)

I can't figure out if this was a release issue update with 8.10.121.0 but I've tried to rollback to 8.10.112.0 and it didn't change or if I activated one optimization witout knowing which one did trigger that. Here are my setting in best practices view and in advanced RF ones (I've tried to reach a maximum of them, but this might not be the best) :

Can anybody help me figuring this out ? I've already tried some combinations but I wasn't successful.

For sure I could have way higher connection speed a few weeks before...

Thanks in advance ! 🙂

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

Scott Fella — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 02:49:35 GMT

In order to achieve higher throughput, you need to set your DCA to 40Mhz at least. I wouldn’t go higher than that unless you know you have more than enough channels with the density of AP’s you have. Also, the client max throughput is dependent on the nic specification, just because you increase the availability on the wireless, doesn’t mean a client that can support what you set will achieve that rate.

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

franckehret — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:41:24 GMT

Hi again,

Thanks for the reply but I've tried that "already". I've tried to change the DCA channel width value to 40 Mhz (or above) but when I click on apply, it gives me the following error :

And as a consequence after applying, it reverts the change to "Best" and switch off both bands ! 🙂

Don't know if it is a "feature" or if it is expected. I'm open to any suggestion 🙂

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

Scott Fella — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:17:30 GMT

Maybe you have to disable best. Search the guide on that one since you are running Mobility Express.

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

franckehret — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:10:33 GMT

Hi again,

So here are my new findings :

- I figured out in the doc that radio has to be disabled if you want to change the channel width in RF optimization. That is probably the reason why it shut them off.

- Despite having radio cut, it is impossible to change the channel in the GUI. I had to go by the command line to do so (same error as above, probably a bug)

- I've configured the channel width to 80Mhz to try it out, it didn't change anything on APs.

In order to be able to get a better result, I tried to go to each AP and select the channel manually:

And accordingly, I could get back my max speed:

Now the question : is this behavior supposed to be so ? IMHO it is not expected : if you want to have a central management, "Best" should take the maximum width of each AP model and manage channels according to the surroundings no ?

There is no point of configuring manually each AP ? OK, I've 4 it is not a huge issue in my infra, but the day my neighboor activate some, I'd like my ME controller to react and change them automatically.

What do you think (and the others of course) ? 😉

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

Rasika Nayanajith — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:56:03 GMT

That 160MHz channel width is impractical, even though theoretically you can set it on AP. First of all see what max channel width you can accommodate considering country, RF around your deployment. In a typical enterprise 40MHz may be practical, however, if there is no other WiFi around your office, then using 80MHz may be ok)

End of the day client device capability matters. So check your client capability, if you really want to give improved performance for end-users. Refer below link for different client capability and check what type of client you got & their capabilities.

https://clients.mikealbano.com/

Then do a test with your best client in a given AP without other clients to see what is the best case throughput you can get, you will surprise it will be much lower than those theoretical max values. Typically it will be much less than 1Gbps

HTH

Rasika

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Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

Scott Fella — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:42:30 GMT

There are two options, you set the DCA to 20/40/80 but you need to disable the network first to apply the change, or you manually configure the channel/power/etc. The latter is only used in special cases but rrm is preferred to automatically make the correct choice. 80mhz might not be a good idea in a high density deployment also.

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

patoberli — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:13:50 GMT

The "best" menu selection means that the APs check how much your channels are used and will then, based on that (plus Country selection) select an optimal channel width per AP radio interface. I'm not sure how often this runs on Mobility Express by default, but probably every 1 hour or so (check the DCA options). For companies, it's often recommended to use 20 or 40 MHz channels, to have less overlap which in the end offers higher performance in a busy network.
The error shouldn't pop up though, which version are you using?

Re: Access points 5Ghz speed issue

franckehret — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:10:07 GMT

Hi everyone,

First, thanks to all that participated to this quest, I've learned again a lot! 🙂

So, here are my last findings:

- 160Mhz is definitivelly not praticable, unless you have an isolated (or several) AP, with no surroundings). I've opted for 80Mhz in my environement, I've 100% clean air for now. I'll check client stability to see if I don't drop it to 40.

- I had an RF profile applied to my AP group and I didn't pay attention. This is the reason why my RF general settings were not applied in the first place when I changed it to something different than "Best". The profile was one of the defaults and it is read only. The default setting of this profile for channel width is 20Mhz and this overrule the settings in RF parameters as expected but ONLY if you don't have "best" in general RF settings (I've tried to setup a custom profile) ! 🙂

- Best in general settings stays in 20Mhz width, I didn't see anything going further.

Final settings:

Finally I learned how the channels are bundled together, so also which one needs to be shut down if you want to activate 80Mhz. I also learned how all settings are working together.

Wi-Fi is definitively something I'm not specialized into but soooooo interresting when you dig a little.
Again, thanks again for all your feedbacks, all were valuable!