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Delay during enbloc dialing from SIP Endpoint 8861

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Hi,
last week we upgraded without problems the CUCM from 8.6.2 to 10.5.2 
We work with Cisco IP Phones 7961/7962/7965/7970 (SCCP Protocol)
After successfull upgrade we begän to change the Cisco IP-Phones for some Users.They got the new Cisco 8861 (SIP Protocol) with Expansion Module.
After replacing the phones this User complains, that there was a delay on calls initiated from the Cisco 8861 phone outside to PSTN.
Customer dials the whole number (on-hook) - then he pushes the speaker or the dial button  (goes off-hook) .
With the "old" SCCP Phones the call to an external target alerts about 6 Sec (Called Number Ringing)
. - with the "new" SIP Phones it takes about 10-12 Sec.There is a significant delay on the SIP Phones vs SCCP Phones.
Problem seems to be the interdigit-timer ? (we found the bug-id CSCup99586) -
We told the Telephone User to dial the called number with a # at the end ot the called number. The # at the end of the called number indeed helps to reduce the time waiting for the alerting tone.
The user told us, that this workaround do not force the acceptance of the "new" phones - They are not happy about this workaround ....
 
Does anyone find a better solution for this problem ?
CUCM is located in Germany - Here we have a Dial-Plan with variable length, therefore we must work with route pattern for example 0! ...
 
Thanks
regards
Alex
 
 
Attached the Bug Description
Delay during enbloc dialing from SIP endpoints and Jabber client
CSCup99586

Symptom:
When the Jabber client calls another E.164 number there is a 6 sec delay before the other endpoint rings, this matches the Inter Digit Timeout value configured on cluster.
Also, Jabber does not have a dial-pad and the number is entered in full before placing the call, Enbloc dialing. CUCM should not wait any longer for additional digits and route the call right away.


This issue happens on ALL Cisco SIP Hard Phones as well (99xx, 89xx, 79xx, 78xx, 88xx, EXxx, MXxx, SXxx, C20, C40, C60, C90 etc). But Cisco SCCP phones and third party SIP phones works fine.
The 6 seconds is the interdigit timeout value on CUCM.

Conditions:
Delay occurs during enbloc dialing via pattens including '!'

If we dial a number (Enbloc dialling) that hits the pattern , example : 3130!

In digit analysis we can see below.

Cisco SCCP phone : |PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist
Third Party SIP Phone: 1st DA== |PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist 2nd DA==|PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist
Jabber Client: |PotentialMatches=PotentialMatchesExist
Cisco SIP Phone: |PotentialMatches=ExclusivelyOffNetPotentialMatchesExist




The issue here is the lack of any explicit indication from the SIP endpoint that dialing is complete.
When the user dials while on-hook, then goes off hook, the digits are sent "en bloc" to CUCM.
SCCP sends an explicit indication that the dial string is complete, but SIP endpoints and clients do not.

Workaround:
N/A
 

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Ronak Agarwal
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Hi,

The behavior that you are noticing is expected. Still you can test it with SIP dial rules, but I believe you will still have the same behavior.

There are several bugs that have been filed for delay in dialing using SIP endpoints: CSCup99586 , CSCtr01695, CSCtq91710 but none is resolved yet.

 

Workaround:

Eliminate overlapping patterns.
Decrease t302 timer.

 

Regards,

Ronak Agarwal

Hi

thanks for clarify - we cannot delete overlapping patterns  - we decreased the t302 timer - the minimum configurable timeout is 3 sec. -  customer side complains again

We also warn the customer - t302 timer also impacts call transfer interdigit timeout.

.
We tested before with SIP dial rules - without success.

 

We expected that the call handling should be equal or better with the New Phones (88xx) than with the "old" phones (79xx) ... 

 

regards

Alex

Hi Alex,

We have the same issue here in Luxembourg with the variable-length dial plan. Did you figure out how to improve the user experience? We recommend to use the # but it's still not as best as with the SCCP phones.

Hello Yorick

we are still waiting that cisco solves the Problem with the sip phones (user dials while on-hook then goes off-hook)  ...

 

- CSCup99586 -

Symptom:
When the Jabber client calls another E.164 number there is a 6 sec delay before the other endpoint rings, this matches the Inter Digit Timeout value configured on cluster.
Also, Jabber does not have a dial-pad and the number is entered in full before placing the call, Enbloc dialing. CUCM should not wait any longer for additional digits and route the call right away.


This issue happens on ALL Cisco SIP Hard Phones as well (99xx, 89xx, 79xx, 78xx, 88xx, EXxx, MXxx, SXxx, C20, C40, C60, C90 etc). But Cisco SCCP phones and third party SIP phones works fine.
The 6 seconds is the interdigit timeout value on CUCM.

Conditions:
Delay occurs during enbloc dialing via pattens including '!'

If we dial a number (Enbloc dialling) that hits the pattern , example : 3130!

In digit analysis we can see below.

Cisco SCCP phone : |PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist
Third Party SIP Phone: 1st DA== |PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist 2nd DA==|PotentialMatches=NoPotentialMatchesExist
Jabber Client: |PotentialMatches=PotentialMatchesExist
Cisco SIP Phone: |PotentialMatches=ExclusivelyOffNetPotentialMatchesExist




The issue here is the lack of any explicit indication from the SIP endpoint that dialing is complete.
When the user dials while on-hook, then goes off hook, the digits are sent "en bloc" to CUCM.
SCCP sends an explicit indication that the dial string is complete, but SIP endpoints and clients do not.

Workaround:
N/A

Further Problem Description:
The issue here is the lack of any explicit indication from the SIP endpoint that dialing is compete.
When the user dials while on-hook, then goes off hook, the digits are sent "en bloc" to CUCM.
SCCP sends an explicit indication that the dial string is complete, but SIP endpoints and clients do not.

hi,

do you know if was it fixed this issue ?

thanks.

Hi,

is there a fix for this? We have 8845 phones and the dial to the h323 gateway takes about 10 seconds. After this time i will see the call on my gateway. After that it signals the call to telco. In overall we have a dial out of 15 seconds delay.

 

When we dial with # at the end of the number with the phones, we have no delay.

 

What can we do? We have to use overlap Route Pattern in Germany :((

 

Any help is welcome!!!

Christian

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