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Introduction

In this document we'll discuss how the route scale of the ASR9000 linecards work. There is a significant difference between the first generation linecards known as Trident based vs the next gen linecards that are Typhoon based.

 

In this article you'll find guidance to identify if you have a Trident or Typhoon linecard, what the scale type really means and what it affects, how the rotue scale parameters work on Trident and how the route scale is different on Typhoon.

 

Do I have a Trident or a Typhoon linecard?

The following linecards are Trident based:

 

40G series:

A9K-4T

A9K-8T/4 (8 port 10GE oversubscribed linecard)

A9K-2T20G

A9K-40GE

 

80G series:

A9K-8T

A9K-16T/8 (16 port 10GE oversubscribed linecard)

 

Regardless of the scale version denoted by the suffix -L, -B, -E

 

The following linecards are Typhoon based:

A9K-24x10GE

A9K-100G

A9K-MOD80

A9K-MOD160

and the ASR9001

 

Regardless of the scale version denoted by the suffix -TR, -SE

 

SIP-700 is CPP based

 

What is the difference between the L/B/E type of the cards?

All ASR9000 linecards come in different scale versions with different price points. The scale version does NOT affect the route scale.

Also the architectural layout of the linecard is the same and all features supported on one type of the linecard is supported on other scale versions also.

 

So what is precisely different then between these line card scale types?

The following picture gives a layout of the Network Processor (NP) and the memory that is attached to it.

 

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The lookup or Search memory is used for the L2 MAC table (in IOS terms "CAM" table) and by the FIB (Forwarding Information Base, eg where the CEF table puts the forwarding info).

 

The L/B/E cards change the Stats, Frame and TCAM size and therefore derive a different scale based on:

 

Stats memory:

     Interface counters, QOS counters, EFP counters.

     The more stats memory I have, the more QOS Policies I can have, the more interfaces/EFP's/Xconnects etc I can support on this card.

 

Frame memory:

     Used for packet buffering by QOS

     The more frame memory I have allows me to buffer more packets in the queues

 

TCAM:

     Used by vlan to interface matching (eg I get a vlan/combo in and to which subinterface does that match the closest), ACL scale and QOS      matching scale.

 

The SEARCH memory is not changing between L/B/E hence the Route or MAC scale remains the same between these cards.

 

To Sum up: The difference between L/B/E (for Trident) or TR/SE (for Typhoon) mainly affects the:

  • QOS scale (Queues and Policers)
  • EFP scale (L2 transport (sub)interfaces and cross connects)

 

What does not change between the types is:

MPLS label scale, Routes , Mac , Arp , Bridgedomain scale

 

What about these hw-module scale profile commands on Trident ?

The Trident linecards provide a great amount of flexibility based on the deployment scenario you have.

As you could see from the above description, the search memory is not affected by the scale type of the linecard.

Considering that the ASR9000 was originally developed as an L2 device, it divided that search memory shared between MAC and Route scale

in "favor" of the MAC scale leaving a limit route capability.

 

With the ASR9000 moving into the L3 space we provided scale profiles to effectively adjust the sharing of the Search memory between L2 and L3 in a more user defined manner. So by using the command

 

RP/0/RSP1/CPU0:A9K-BOT(admin-config)#hw-module profile scale ?

  default  Default scale profile

  l3       L3 scale profile

  l3xl     L3 XL scale profile

 

You can move that search memory in favor of L2 or L3:

 

       "default" or L2 mode                l3xl mode

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Which inherently means that the increase FIB scale goes as the cost of the MAC scale and in the following manner:

 

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Notes:

1) This scale table is Trident specific.

2) Some values are testing limits eg IGP routes, some are hardware bound

3) The EFP number is dependant on the scale type of the linecard (E/B/L), which this tries to show is that the EFP scale is not affected by the HW profile scale command.

 

Typhoon Specific

Typhoon has a FIB capability of 4M routes. Typhoon uses separate  memory for L2 and L3 and therefore the profile command discussed above  is not applicable to the Typhoon based linecards.

 

 

Understanding IPv4 and IPv6 route scale

As you can see in the scale table above the number of IPv6 routes is half of the number of ipv4 routes. v6 routes consume more space in the FIB structures and the system calculates in this manner that the number of v6 routes consumes twice as much as the number of v4 routes.

 

Now when we state that we have 1M FIB scale in the L3 mode. We should read it as 1M credits.

Then knowing that a v4 route consumes 1 credit and an ipv6 route consumes 2 credits, we can compile the following formula:

 

Number of IPv4 routes + 2 * the number of IPv6 routes <= Number of credits as per scale profile

 

Typhoon Specific

This logic of v4/v6 scale is the same for Typhoon, but with the notion that Typhoon has 4M credits

 

Understanding Subtrees

One concept that was referenced in the scale table is the SUBTREE. Subtree is a method of implementing a Forwarding Information Base. Trident uses this implementation methodology.

 

While the route scale in say the L3 profile is 1M ipv4 routes, it depends which VRF the routes are in based on their tableID and what the subtree size is.

 

Table ID's 0 to 15 have a subtree assigned per /8. That means that they can reach a 1M route scale individually as long as you don't exceed the number of routes per subtree size. In L3 mode the subtree size is 128k. That means in order to reach the 1M route scale I need to assign 8 /8's filled with 128K each to reach that one million routes.

 

Note the route scale mentioned is the sum of all routes together combined of all vrf's

 

VRF table ID's higher then 15 to the max vrf scale only have one subtree total which means that the route scale for those VRF's is 128k tops in L3.

 

IPv6 routes have one subtree period, meaning that V6 cannot have more then the subtree size as directed by the scale profile configured.

 

The following picture visualizes the subtree.

Each subtree can point to either a non recursive leaf (NRLDI) or a recursive leaf (RLDI)

 

  1. You can have 4 (or 8, requires admin config profile and has some pps implications) recursive ECMP (eg BGP paths)
  2. Each of those recursive can point to 32 non recursive paths (eg IGP loadbalancing)
  3. Which in turn can be a bundle path with 64 members max.

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How to find the tableID of a vrf

 

Note that tableID's are assigned only when you enable an IP address on one interface that is member of the vrf.

 

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top#show uid data location 0/0/CPU0 gigabitEthernet 0/0/0/2 ingress | i Table
Fri Apr  9 16:24:32.878 EDT
  Table-ID:           256

 

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top(config)#vrf GREEN

 

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top(config-vrf)#address-family ipv4 unicast
RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top(config-vrf-af)#commit
RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top(config-vrf-af)#int g0/0/0/12
RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top(config-if)#vrf GREEN

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top#show uid data location 0/0/CPU0 gigabitEthernet 0/0/0/12 ingress | i Table
Fri Apr  9 16:22:40.263 EDT
  Table-ID:           512
RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:Viking-Top#

 

Table ID assignment:

 

1) when an RSP boots, tableID assignments start at 0. (verified in labs)

2) ID zero is reserved for the global routing table. (given)

3) The first 15 tableID’s can carry > 128K* routes, given that no more than 128k* routes per subtree(/8) (given limitation)

4) Understanding that reconfiguring a VRF would increment the tableID values (verified in lab), and might eventually push it out of the preferred table space.

5) No more than a total of 1M routes per system (or as defined by the scale profile), regardless of in which tableID these routes are.

6) In order to reach that of 1M route scale, the command hw-module profile l3 or l3XL needs to be configured.

 

If you have <15 VRF’s configured, reloading would still result in the fact that these tableID’s will get in the larger table space (tableID assigned <15).

Although one vrf may not get assigned the same tableID value after reload, but this is not interesting from a user perspective.

 

NOTE1: table ID is a 16 bit value, that is byte swapped. So tableId 1 has value 256, table id 2 has value 512 etc

 

NOTE2: We're working on an enhancement to make a vrf "sticky"  to a particular tableId so you can make sure that this vrf will always  get the higher route scale. Track: CSCtg2546 for that.

 

*NOTE3: 128k or 256k depending on the scale profile used. Some older pre 401 releases had a smaller subtree size of 64k.

Typhoon Specific

Typhoon uses the MTRIE implementation for the FIB and therefore the above Subtree explanation and its associated restrictions do NOT apply to linecards using the Typhoon forwarder.

 

 

Monitoring L3 Scale

You can use SNMP for this by pulling the route summaries for EACH vrf or using the CLI command as follows:

 

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:A9K-TOP#show route vrf all sum

 

VRF: RED

 

Route Source    Routes    Backup    Deleted    Memory (bytes)

connected       1         1         0          272

local           2         0         0          272

bgp 100         0         0         0          0

Total           3         1         0          544

 

VRF: test

 

Route Source    Routes    Backup    Deleted    Memory (bytes)

connected       0         1         0          136

local           1         0         0          136

bgp 100         1         0         0          136

Total           2         1         0          408

 

VRF: private

 

Route Source    Routes    Backup    Deleted    Memory (bytes)

static          0         0         0          0

connected       1         0         0          136

local           1         0         0          136

bgp 100         0         0         0          0

dagr            0         0         0          0

Total           2         0         0          272

 

The number of routes is provided per source (IGP/BGP etc) and for the FIB that doesn't matter.

Also the memory that is presented is XR CPU memory and is not the memory that is used by the hardware.

 

Because of the Trident subtree implementation, if you want to be accurate you need to count the number of routes in the VRF table ID's

0-15 (and tableID0 being the global routing table) on a per /8 bases.

 

Show commands

 

This is the global view as to how things are implemented.

 

  • The RIB, routing information base solely resides on the RSP and is fed by all the routing protocols you have running.
  • The size of the RIB can grow as far as memory scales.
  • The RIB compiled a CEF table which we also call the FIB, forwarding information base which is distributed to the linecards
  • The linecards complete the FIB entries with the L2 Adjacencies (eg ARP entries which are isolated to the linecards only, UNLESS you have BVI's when those L2 ADJ's are shared on all LC's)
  • The complete entry is then programmed into the NPU.

 

 

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Summary view

The easiest way to verify and validate resources for the linecard is via this command:

 

RP/0/RSP1/CPU0:A9K-BOT#show cef resource loc 0/1/CPU0

Thu Jun 28 11:02:41.855 EDT

CEF resource availability summary state: GREEN

CEF will work normally

  ipv4 shared memory resource: GREEN

  ipv6 shared memory resource: GREEN

  mpls shared memory resource: GREEN

...

 

 

 

 

Using the ASR9000 as a Route Reflector

This can be done no problem. A route reflector is generally never in the forwarding path of the traffic. This means that we can put all the routes in the RIB and not install them in the FIB based on a policy.

We can use the table-policy under the BGP config to pull in an RPL that denies the installation of routes into the FIB.

Then we can use the RP CPU memory for reflecting routes as far as memory scales.

How far we can go?

Depends on the Paths, attributes, size of the attributes and whether you have the high or low scale RSP memory version.

Numbers can be anywhere from 7M to 20M, depending.

ARP vs MAC scale and understanding adjacencies

This is a topic I noticed leading to some confusing. It is important to understand the difference between MAC vs ARP scale.

MAC vs ARP

While MAC refers to what we know in switches as the "CAM" table, so basically the mac learning forwarding table, ARP scale refers to the number of ARP adjacencies that an L3 router can hold to complete the mac rewrite string to forward traffic to its L3 peers.

MAC scale is defined by the L2 bridging tables and is subject to scale differences on Trident LC's depending on the hw-module profile ran, whereas on typhoon the MAC scale is in a separate forwarding table (switching table) that is limited to 2M macs tops.

ARP scale

The ARP scale is something tricky, while the hardware forwarder has lots of mem available to complete the forwarding adjacency, the software may not. Few details:

ARP is local to the linecard, e.g. it serves no purpose for an ingress linecard to know what the ARP entry for a destination is that lives on another linecard. Since the ingress linecard would just forward the traffic over to the destination LC, it doesn't need to know the ARP/mac address of the destination interface.

This allows for a great scale improvement! ASR9000 has been tested with 128k of those ARP adj per LC! that is massive already, but not bound by that number.

There are a few stipulations when it comes to:

-BVI

-Bundle/Etherchannel

You can figure that if the egress interface is a bundle-E or a BVI the arp adj needs to be present on multiple linecards and specifically those that hold members in that bundle or carry EFP (Ether flow points or l2transport interfaces in a say Bridge domain) in the scenario of BVI.

SW processing of ARP

XR software stores the ARP table in what we call shared memory, this is basically a RAM disk (if you're familiar with the old DOS technology) that can technically grow as far as memory goes on the LC. It means that the limit of 128k ARP entries is a "soft limit" and can go farther, but requires the right amount of memory on the LC to be avaiable. Some deployment profiles take more LC memory and therefore may not grow as far as we'd like.

ARP is received by the NPU as a "for me" packet and punted by LPTS to the LC CPU for processing.

There is a single queue which holds all of the arp requests and replies.

The CPU utilization is a factor also to determin the processing capability and scale for ARP.

Packet forwarding with BVI and Bundle

When forwarding over a L3 (routed) adjacency, we obviously need to know the destination mac address to complete the layer 2 header. When the router port is connected to a server, the dmac will be the server's mac address, in the case of a peering router, it will be the mac address of the remote interface. That is all standard and simple. Because an egress linecard does all the encap for this layer 2, there is no need for an ingress linecard to know what the arp entry is for a destination interface, that increases the scale.

When it comes to bundle and bvi, the ARP entry has to be replicated to those locations that have members in the bundle for instance. The following pictures explain:

BVI processing with EFP's on different linecards:

Here you can see that every linecard that has a routed port, needs to know the ARP entry, so in BVI all linecards will see the ARP entry tied to a BVI (that means L2 destinations -> EFP's).

Bundle forwarding with members on multiple linecards

In bundle when running as a L3 routed interface the ingress linecard does the processing as normal, determines the egress interface, which is a bundle in this example and then determines that the member to be selected can be on either one or the other LC. It forwards that packet to the fabric and to the destination linecard that holds the member of the bundle.

In this case, all inecards that have a member in the bundle need to know the ARP address to complete the forwarding mac rewrite and L2 headers.

How to verify

To verify how many ARP entries a linecard holds we can use this command:

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:A9K-BNG#show adj summary location  0/0/cPU0
Wed Jan 27 17:10:56.465 EDT

Adjacency table (version 1284) has 66 adjacencies:
     28 complete adjacencies <<<< learnt adj's from remote destinations
      0 incomplete adjacencies
     38 interface adjacencies <<<< local adj's that are bound to my interfaces
      0 deleted adjacencies in quarantine list
     19 adjacencies of type IPv4 <<< by AFv4 address family
         19 complete adjacencies of type IPv4
          0 incomplete adjacencies of type IPv4
          0 deleted adjacencies of type IPv4 in quarantine list
         14 multicast adjacencies of type IPv4
      4 adjacencies of type IPv6 <<<< and here for ipv6
          4 complete adjacencies of type IPv6
          0 incomplete adjacencies of type IPv6
          0 deleted adjacencies of type IPv6 in quarantine list
          4 multicast adjacencies of type IPv6

Ultimately

Ultimately the ARP scale for an asr9000 device or XR in general is dependent on a few things:

  • the number of L2 devices attached (which will grow in bridge domains)
  • if there are bundle or BVI in play (that will need to hold AND replicate entries across linecards)
  • how much free memory is available on the linecard

ARP scale *can* grow, but there is another factor: LPTS. LPTS defines a policer for ARP requests (and learning). XR does passive learning meaning that if we see a request FROM a host, we "learn" that host and add it to our table. This is awesome because now we don't need to ask for the hw-addr for that host that we learnt and saves messaging. However that will increase the table size. And then we're back with the stipulations mentioned earlier; how much memory do we have available.

Although ARP has significant improvements in XR 5.3.1, since it is a single threaded process more can be done, which we are planning for. For instance, making ARP multi-threaded (though work), or applying queue management for handling better the volume of incoming requests.

Remember that LPTS policers values are set per NPU, so if you have an LC with multiple NPU's, the total forwarded rate can be a multiplication of the configured value byt he number of NPUs on that LC.

Tuning of LPTS policers may be necessary to help XR deal better with the volume of ARP requests.

N/A.

 

 

Comments
Beginner

Hello Xander,

First, my apologies if this isn't the appropriate page to ask this question.  I'm trying to determine how to monitor ACL usage in TCAM on our ASR-9010's with Typhoon "TR" cards.  I was in your "ASR9K troubleshooting" session at Cisco Live! last summer in San Diego, and on the slide deck you provided, there is a command listed "show prm server <blah>" to monitor TCAM usage.  However, this command doesn't seem to work on our devices running version 5.1.3.  Is it possible that this command is for a previous version of code?  Is there another command that provides the same information?

I've looked around for quite a while to find this answer, but I can't seem to find one.  I guess I could always open up a Cisco TAC case for this, but I thought you may have a quick answer.

Any help you can provide would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Cisco Employee

ah cool!! hope you enjoyed it! :) I won't be there this year though unfortunately.

could it be that possibly the right permissions are not set for on the user that you're logged in with? this cmd needs cisco-support/root system privileges.

I just tested 513 on trident and it produces output, I also tested 434 on typhoon and it shows output there also.

cheers

xander

Beginner

I definitely enjoyed the class.  I keep your slidedeck open at all times for various troubleshooting purposes.  And as always, you seem to have the answers I need.  The usergroup for my account was set for root system but not for cisco-support.  After adjusting our TACACS privileges, the command suddenly showed up!

Thanks, Xander.  My apologies for such a silly answer in the end.

Cisco Employee

ah not a problem! glad that it was that simple :) talk soon! cheers!

xander

Enthusiast

Hi Xander,

customer is asking for number of IP prefixes that ASR 9912 with RP2 TR and Tomahawk LC can hold? I could not find any info about that for this HW.

I have found this about RSP 4G and I am confident that RP2 with 16GB memory can hold much more routes.

You are the author.

"If you are looking at the 4G and only for BGP routes, depending on the paths, attributes etc, you *can* scale up to 7M routes there in BGP already. Again, this depends on the paths and its attributes, if 2 paths have the same set of attributes they consume less memory then when they have different atts."

Do you have it in form of a excel sheet?

Cisco Employee

hi Smail,

the hard limit is on the LC. In shipping XR releases the Tomahawk and Typhoon IPv4/IPv6 scale are identical: 4M IPv4 or 2M IPv6. For a combination of IPv4 and IPv6, take into calculation that IPv6 prefix takes twice the space of IPv4.

I hope this is what you were looking for.

/Aleksandar

Enthusiast

Thanks Aleks.

It's important that we support that number. 

You don't have any screenshot of a excel sheet? I need that because we have to give them some proof from the vendor. Our word and promise is not enough.

Cisco Employee

hi Smail,

I have something better: BRKARC-2003 from Cisco Live Berlin 2016 or Milan 2015.

Aleksandar

Enthusiast

Oh I have this one but I missed this slide...just to many :)

And this doc. is perfect! Great job.

Thank you!

Beginner

Hi Xander, for ASR 9000 to be BNG for PPPoX, can we use typhoon-TR as core facing linecard? Assuming we have RSP440-SE and MOD160-SE for broadband aggregation facing.

/Steven

Enthusiast

Hi Steven, 

sure you can. SE card is only for service edge (PPPoE, IPoE, PW HE etc).

Transport optimized cards (TR) are for the core facing side of the network.

Cisco Employee

smail! thanks and correct indeed! the subscr facing cards and RSP need to be of the SE kind, the core facing (non subscr terminating LC's) can be TR no problemo.

cheers!

xander

Hi Xander, the feature "BGP Support for Multiple Sourced Paths Per Redistributed Routes" is it available in ASR9k?

regards!!!

Cisco Employee

hi mauricio, I have never even heard of this functionality :) that doesnt mean it doesnt exist, but in that case I would find a docu in the xr bgp routing, but that doesnt seem to be there either.

xander

Beginner

Hi,

I have a 9010 with mixed card types. Show command shows following:

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:ios#sh hw-module profile all
Thu Sep 22 15:32:02.451 EEST

                Node: 0/0/CPU0:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Profile for All NPs
----------------------------
Scale Profile: Default (Layer 3)
Feature Profile: Default

                Node: 0/1/CPU0:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Profile for All NPs
----------------------------
Scale Profile: Default (Layer 3)
Feature Profile: Default

                Node: 0/2/CPU0:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Profile for All NPs
----------------------------
Scale Profile: Default (Layer 3)
Feature Profile: Default

                Node: 0/3/CPU0:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Profile for All NPs
----------------------------
Scale Profile: Unconfigured
Package Profile: Carrier (Default)

Can I change a scale profile only for one of Trident cards or it can be done only for all of them? Config command does not show a "location" key as an option:

RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:ios(admin-config)#hw-module profile scale ?
  bng-max  BNG max scale profile
  default  Default scale profile
  l2       L2 scale profile
  l3       L3 scale profile (depricated)
  l3xl     L3 XL scale profile
  lsr      LSR scale profile
  sat      nV Satellite scale profile
RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:ios(admin-config)#hw-module profile scale l3xl ?
  <cr> 

And what is a default scale mode on xr 4.2.3?

Thanks.

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