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FXO Line Provisioning - Possibly my issue, but......

Nicholas Balog
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I'm in the middle of setting up my first UC320w for my wifes office. Its a pretty simple configuration. Two Shared FXO lines (line 1 and line 2) are incomming and I need them to ring at all stations.

When I try to set this group up and select both fxo ports, it errors out on me and tells me that I will not have an outgoing line in reserve. I think I am mis-understanding how to set this up, but I can not find any real troubleshooting in regards to this.

Do I need to set up each fxo up individually for the group access as two seperate entities?

I also would like to set a preference on which fxo line is picked up for outbound calls. Is there someplace I can weigh these so the preferred line is picked up first?

Thanks!

-Nick

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nalbert
Level 4
Level 4

Nicholas,

Q1) The inteface errors saying "I will not have an outgoing line in reserve"?

It does this just in case you add additional phones you will not be able to dial out. I would check the box "Include in outbound dialing" on the Shared FXO Configuration.

Q2) I would like to chose which FXO port is chosen when I pickup the handset?

Currenty the Cisco phones always pickups the personal extension (EXT 1) when handset is picked up. At this point you could dial 9 and the number for the line to be automatically chosen. Else you could chose the line you want to use and call out with out dialing 9.

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David Trad
VIP Alumni
VIP Alumni

Hi Nick,

To add to the above post, you could also put the system in Hybrid KTS/PBX mode and you can assign the FXO line-1 to button one on the phone and FXO Line-2 onto button 2 of the phone, the system will then let you either press "9" to dial out which it will auto select a line, and or press the shared line key (Button 1 or Button 2) and dial out directly from there.

The above will also allow the phones who monitor the two line keys to ring as well


Maybe this is a potential way to set the system up?

Cheers,

David.

Cheers, David Trad. **When you rate a persons post, you are indicating a thank you or that it helped, but at the same time you are also helping to maintain the community spirit - You don't have to rate posts and you wont be looked down upon :) *

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Hi Nicholas,

So am I to understand that the key system will assign the fxo to key-1 
of any of the phones? This is my first venture into Cisco voice as my 
background is asterisk and Nortel as far as voice goes. Layer-3 and 
VOIP, so I get the gist of the technology more then most people.

In essence yes, however you do not need to put the system in full KTS mode, as stated during the setup process you can request for it to be put into Hybrid mode, this then gives you the best of both worlds without the loss of the PBX features that often occurs when going into full KTS mode.

The 320W to me is identical to Asterisk and does more than just compete with it on price, it beats it both on up front and ongoing management due to the way Cisco have designed the UC-320W (But cannot be deployed on a larger scale sadly ). I too am an Asterisk guy and have deployed some of the largest voice networks using Asterisk as both the SBC and Voice management system with very complex billing systems, dash boards and call management systems, we did some funky stuff with it, and just recently (The last 10 months before I come back to working with Cisco products) deployed an extensive global voice network using Asterisk which spanned 40 destinations... SO I have a pretty good ability to measure and compare systems against each other

I am so surprised with the lack of automated fax handling on this considering its target market for SMB. Are there any new developments regarding automatic fax handling and passing off to the fxs in the pipeline? I would think this would be a feature SMB customers would find highly desireable.

In fairness I still do not trust any PBX to manage faxes, not even the UC-500, no matter how or what I do I still cannot get it to be as stable as just plugging a phone line into the FAX itself, yes it creates an extra cost because of having an extra phone line, but this is part of the sales cycle process, we get the clients to put their DSL on that same line and also any Eftpos machines (Eftpos machines are for your ATM cards, not sure what they call them in other countries), this way the cost is shared across more than one appliance, and guess what? Everything just works

But you do highlight a downside to what is available on the market today...

The UC-320W Addresses the following in my eyes, and I hope you can see it this way as well

  • Cost entry for SMB's into the IP-PBX market, $ for $ the UC-320W beats most embedded Asterisk based systems and smaller analogue systems such as Panasonic and LG-Nortel (Although each country may have different price points to where I am located)
  • Ease of use, which is always a huge thing with clients who are migrating from an old KTS to an IP-PBX, but in saying that they still have a very long way to go as the KTS in most instance is still easier to use, they generally have less key strokes than the UC-320 to complete a task (This is based on customer feedback and personal testing)
  • Reliability which is key to everything, Asterisk whilst awesome for what it does has a tendency to not be reliable at times and to keep it reliable you have to spend time managing it, they are not a deploy and forget system as some would like to have you believe, those who deploy it like that end up leaving customers in the lurch
  • Support which again is very key, Cisco to me provides second to none industry support for their hardware, whilst Asterisk has a very very very large community and in most cases if you can get passed the egotistical idiots, you get good pretty good support, Cisco ensures that the client is covered, and lets go a little further with that, they make sure the partner is covered and is able to perform their duties with easy... A MASSIVE PLUS from me
  • Good looking and quality products, as much as one does not like to admit it but cosmetics is a big part with Cisco products, people like good looking phones they hate ugliness and phones that require almost a whole desk just to cater for it. generally the quality of the Cisco products are normally second to none, but they do have their days and bad batches, it is how you handle it I guess that sets you apart from the product and the problem

I could rattle of much more but I am sure you get the gist of it, so if you are thinking of going out there and hocking of the Cisco wares, here is the advise I can give you

  • Buy the NFR kit and sit there and break the system in every single way you can and then learn how to repair it without just resetting it to factory defaults, knowing how the system can break and the best route to resolve it will set you apart from the plethora of other Cisco partners, who sadly just do not have a clue
  • Spend time going to Distie sponsored boot camps, they can give the best insight into deployment guides and the best way to manage and build the systems, you can always take so much from them and incorporate it into your own style of doing things
  • Be prepared to spend time with your clients "PLEASE" and make sure they get at least a good hour of training after the install, factor this into your install costs, sacrificing this small cost only sets the precedence of damage to yourself and other Cisco partners who work hard to do the right thing by the product and the client

Hope you get to the right deployment on that system and you get the FXO lines sorted out

Cheers,

David.

Cheers, David Trad. **When you rate a persons post, you are indicating a thank you or that it helped, but at the same time you are also helping to maintain the community spirit - You don't have to rate posts and you wont be looked down upon :) *

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nalbert
Level 4
Level 4

Nicholas,

Q1) The inteface errors saying "I will not have an outgoing line in reserve"?

It does this just in case you add additional phones you will not be able to dial out. I would check the box "Include in outbound dialing" on the Shared FXO Configuration.

Q2) I would like to chose which FXO port is chosen when I pickup the handset?

Currenty the Cisco phones always pickups the personal extension (EXT 1) when handset is picked up. At this point you could dial 9 and the number for the line to be automatically chosen. Else you could chose the line you want to use and call out with out dialing 9.

Thanks! I'll have to give it a shot when I get into my office tonight. I'll let you know how that goes.

On another note, do you know if there is any way to automatically shunt a fax call over to the fxs port when an incomming fax transmission arrives?

David Trad
VIP Alumni
VIP Alumni

Hi Nick,

To add to the above post, you could also put the system in Hybrid KTS/PBX mode and you can assign the FXO line-1 to button one on the phone and FXO Line-2 onto button 2 of the phone, the system will then let you either press "9" to dial out which it will auto select a line, and or press the shared line key (Button 1 or Button 2) and dial out directly from there.

The above will also allow the phones who monitor the two line keys to ring as well


Maybe this is a potential way to set the system up?

Cheers,

David.

Cheers, David Trad. **When you rate a persons post, you are indicating a thank you or that it helped, but at the same time you are also helping to maintain the community spirit - You don't have to rate posts and you wont be looked down upon :) *

Nicholas,

For FAX we recommend getting a splitter and split the cable into two and plug one into the UC320 and the other into the Fax m/c itself.

However it is possible to plug FAX into the FXS port and then go to incoming calls and divert all calls into the FXS.

I didnt get a chance to play around with this l

ast night since I was playing with my nexus 7ks at my day job ;-)

So am I to understand that the key system will assign the fxo to key-1 of any of the phones? This is my first venture into Cisco voice as my background is asterisk and Nortel as far as voice goes. Layer-3 and VOIP, so I get the gist of the technology more then most people.

I am so surprised with the lack of automated fax handling on this considering its target market for SMB. Are there any new developments regarding automatic fax handling and passing off to the fxs in the pipeline? I would think this would be a feature SMB customers would find highly desireable.

My wife's office is a medical office and this type of function would be awesome, especially with EMR in her industry!  I dont know whats in the test code since I am but a humble end user and have not registered as a partner yet. Would love to do that and cater to the SMB segment in my area.......I think 10 years as a Nortel engineer would help out there in fast-tracking that ;-)

Hi Nicholas,

So am I to understand that the key system will assign the fxo to key-1 
of any of the phones? This is my first venture into Cisco voice as my 
background is asterisk and Nortel as far as voice goes. Layer-3 and 
VOIP, so I get the gist of the technology more then most people.

In essence yes, however you do not need to put the system in full KTS mode, as stated during the setup process you can request for it to be put into Hybrid mode, this then gives you the best of both worlds without the loss of the PBX features that often occurs when going into full KTS mode.

The 320W to me is identical to Asterisk and does more than just compete with it on price, it beats it both on up front and ongoing management due to the way Cisco have designed the UC-320W (But cannot be deployed on a larger scale sadly ). I too am an Asterisk guy and have deployed some of the largest voice networks using Asterisk as both the SBC and Voice management system with very complex billing systems, dash boards and call management systems, we did some funky stuff with it, and just recently (The last 10 months before I come back to working with Cisco products) deployed an extensive global voice network using Asterisk which spanned 40 destinations... SO I have a pretty good ability to measure and compare systems against each other

I am so surprised with the lack of automated fax handling on this considering its target market for SMB. Are there any new developments regarding automatic fax handling and passing off to the fxs in the pipeline? I would think this would be a feature SMB customers would find highly desireable.

In fairness I still do not trust any PBX to manage faxes, not even the UC-500, no matter how or what I do I still cannot get it to be as stable as just plugging a phone line into the FAX itself, yes it creates an extra cost because of having an extra phone line, but this is part of the sales cycle process, we get the clients to put their DSL on that same line and also any Eftpos machines (Eftpos machines are for your ATM cards, not sure what they call them in other countries), this way the cost is shared across more than one appliance, and guess what? Everything just works

But you do highlight a downside to what is available on the market today...

The UC-320W Addresses the following in my eyes, and I hope you can see it this way as well

  • Cost entry for SMB's into the IP-PBX market, $ for $ the UC-320W beats most embedded Asterisk based systems and smaller analogue systems such as Panasonic and LG-Nortel (Although each country may have different price points to where I am located)
  • Ease of use, which is always a huge thing with clients who are migrating from an old KTS to an IP-PBX, but in saying that they still have a very long way to go as the KTS in most instance is still easier to use, they generally have less key strokes than the UC-320 to complete a task (This is based on customer feedback and personal testing)
  • Reliability which is key to everything, Asterisk whilst awesome for what it does has a tendency to not be reliable at times and to keep it reliable you have to spend time managing it, they are not a deploy and forget system as some would like to have you believe, those who deploy it like that end up leaving customers in the lurch
  • Support which again is very key, Cisco to me provides second to none industry support for their hardware, whilst Asterisk has a very very very large community and in most cases if you can get passed the egotistical idiots, you get good pretty good support, Cisco ensures that the client is covered, and lets go a little further with that, they make sure the partner is covered and is able to perform their duties with easy... A MASSIVE PLUS from me
  • Good looking and quality products, as much as one does not like to admit it but cosmetics is a big part with Cisco products, people like good looking phones they hate ugliness and phones that require almost a whole desk just to cater for it. generally the quality of the Cisco products are normally second to none, but they do have their days and bad batches, it is how you handle it I guess that sets you apart from the product and the problem

I could rattle of much more but I am sure you get the gist of it, so if you are thinking of going out there and hocking of the Cisco wares, here is the advise I can give you

  • Buy the NFR kit and sit there and break the system in every single way you can and then learn how to repair it without just resetting it to factory defaults, knowing how the system can break and the best route to resolve it will set you apart from the plethora of other Cisco partners, who sadly just do not have a clue
  • Spend time going to Distie sponsored boot camps, they can give the best insight into deployment guides and the best way to manage and build the systems, you can always take so much from them and incorporate it into your own style of doing things
  • Be prepared to spend time with your clients "PLEASE" and make sure they get at least a good hour of training after the install, factor this into your install costs, sacrificing this small cost only sets the precedence of damage to yourself and other Cisco partners who work hard to do the right thing by the product and the client

Hope you get to the right deployment on that system and you get the FXO lines sorted out

Cheers,

David.

Cheers, David Trad. **When you rate a persons post, you are indicating a thank you or that it helped, but at the same time you are also helping to maintain the community spirit - You don't have to rate posts and you wont be looked down upon :) *

I agree dedicated fax line is best. Another good alternative that is also more environmental friendly is fax-to-email services.

This is a good article discussing Fax and VoIP.

http://www.voipmechanic.com/faxingissuesandotherdevices.htm

I've got the system in Blend mode at this point. With

all of my preliminary research it seemed to be the best way to go at the time.

I really didnt give labbing it up first much due consideration considering I was doing a forklift upgrade to a dying sprint PBX in the building I purchased. All things being the same the trouble of troubleshooting is largely more palatible then the trouble of not receiving calls due to a dead phone system.

I completely agree on all of your points on the UC320 as compared to the asterisk solution. I was seriously considering using asterisk as the primary system for awhile and put together a test server, but considering the multi-port fxo card I would have needed to buy, it was more budget friendly to go with the UC320 solution rather then build out an asterisk server and make sure unistim was in there to drive the i200x Nortel phones I already own.

I still have that test system in my section of the office and eventually I may SIP it off of the UC320 once I get my act together on this project. Guess I'll never get native support for the i200x phones from the UC320 ;-)

At this point I'll just lump the FXS into the ring group and deal with faxing the old fashion way.

On a different note, how does one get ahold of the NFR package? Part of my SMB offerings will consist of mobility and tablet development for that group along with VOIP offerings. Pretty much trying to drive SMB medical mobility and telepresence along with legacy pbx replacements. The existing local partners have no clue so essentially I'm looking to boil down the main corporate technologies into 'packages' for the common man.  :-)

Besides, big daddy needs some new toys (hahahah)  :-D