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Need Some Help !!!

andrei.virag1
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Hi guys

I just finish a CCNA Exploration: Network Fundamentals. Can pls someone tell me if i can use this certificate in finding a job? And where to i fit in with this? Thank You

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Dan Lukes
VIP Alumni
VIP Alumni

Sorry, this community is dedicated to other topics. There is no community related to questions like your's one.

But yes, anything may help you to find a job - including the CCNA certificate - if particular boss care about it.

Dan,

Sometimes, similar questions pop up in these forums even though they are out of topic. However, there is a community related to certifications:

https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/community/certifications/

In general, the Cisco Learning Network is the proper place to ask about certifications.

Best regards,
Peter

This discussion has been reposted from WAN, Routing and Switching to the Cisco Cafe community.

Peter Paluch
Cisco Employee
Cisco Employee

Andrei,

The CCNA Exploration: Network Fundamentals is the introductory course out of four courses that comprised the former CCNA in the Cisco Networking Academy. It provided you with the fundamental knowledge about networking, protocols and basic principles of network operation but, to be honest, it is not sufficient for a networking job. It was a necessary foundation for the three other courses in the CCNA Exploration (routing protocols and concepts, switched networks and wireless, WAN technologies) but the knowledge you have gained from that course is, in my  too small yet for you to start working in networks professionally.

I believe that further trainings are necessary before you can start applying for a job.

I am sorry if this has disappointed you.

Best regards,
Peter

You are true, even complete CCNA Exploration provide just very basic level of knowledge.

... on the other side, real value of certificate vary. As CCNA instructor I have some feedback from my students.

Although some companies understands Cisco's certification system, so many companies are not aware of details. It just too complex.

Thus many companies honor any color paper with "Cisco Certificate" printed on it.

So even "Network Fundamentals" certificate may help to find job.

That it is.

Note that the question has not been "how to become expert on ..." but "can ... certificate help to find job". It's not the same question.

 

However, there is a community related to certifications

My fault. Despite we are on CSC so "there" should be interpreted in such context, it's better to claim verbatim that there is no such community on CSC. Sorry for confusion.

 

 

Hi Dan,

Thank you for the insightful answer!

even complete CCNA Exploration provide just very basic level of knowledge

I would say that this depends on the point of view. Looking from a CCNP's or CCIE's, the required knowledge for CCNA is relatively small compared to what is required for the higher certifications. However, even a CCNA is already a vast amount of information - me also being a university teacher and a NetAcad instructor for 10+ years, I have a good insight into the scope of CCNA and the way it compares to CCNP and CCIE.

So, most certainly, I am not belittling the importance and impact of CCNA. Whether it provides enough skills and knowledge for a particular job position - that's a different story, and it depends on what the job is. Considering the fact that there is even a CCENT certification that precedes CCNA, there is definitely a job market for both CCENTs and CCNAs, even though it may not be typical in our countries.

But out of CCNA Exploration courses, the CCNA Exploration: Network Fundamentals alone would not even suffice to achieve a CCENT. We both know that the Network Fundamentals course covered only the theoretical basics and people haven't even really laid their hands on routers and switches. Yet another fact is that the CCNA Exploration courses stopped being available in the Networking Academy about a year ago, so I am surprised to learn that Andrei has recently finished this EoL course.

Although some companies understands Cisco's certification system, so many companies are not aware of details. It just too complex.

This is actually surprising to me. The triad of Associate-Professional-Expert seems reasonably simple, as well as the existence of certifications in various tracks (R&S, SP, DC, ...). If we go into details about achieving a certification, maintaining it, going higher etc., then yes, it starts getting cumbersome but those details are relevant to certification applicants, not to companies.

Note that the question has not been "how to become expert on ..." but "can ... certificate help to find job". It's not the same question.

That is true - however, shall we actually support this approach? We both know that if Andrei has only passed the CCNA Exploration: Network Fundamentals then even if this certificate of course completion helped him to get a job, wouldn't both his employer and he himself be harmed because of lack of further knowledge? Who would truly be helped?

Best regards,
Peter

I'm also teaching on University (MFF UK, Prague). We closed our academy this year (after about six years of their existence) because lack of interests from students. CCNA Exploration provide lower level of skills that our casual IT student need to have. So there's not so much reason for CCNA but certificate.

I have some feedback from companies as well. In most common case the company wish to hire network expert (or so), not the Cisco/Juniper/HP one. A certificate prove that the applicant is willing to learn. It is important signal. A kind of certificate - and even vendor issuing them - is not so important in those cases. If someone understand the principles, then he can learn details of particular vendor/product within few days.

Of course, sometime a company is seeking for Cisco-only specialist and wish not to wait even one day until he learn details of particular vendor's product line. Yes, it's the time for Cisco's certification system.

The triad of Associate-Professional-Expert seems reasonably simple, as well as the existence of certifications in various tracks (R&S, SP, DC, ...).

I disagree. It's just so many types and  levels of certificates, each of them focused to so narrow area. Who will read syllabuses of 34 Cisco's courses to be able to map applicant's set of certificates to the skills he should have ? May be specialized personal agencies will spend time to something like it ...

shall we actually support this approach

World doesn't care our opinion so much ;-)

Just few companies ask not only "did you graduated" but also "where you graduated ?". It cause common student prefer easiest schools over those with higher demands. I'm pretty sure you are facing it even on University of Žilina.

It's same case. Most common user will gain "a Cisco certificate" - as there are enough companies satisfied with it. So why CCNP/CCIE ?

 

By the way, we are even more off-topic here. I will ask moderators to move this thread to Cisco Cafe