Wonder what's on the mind of Cisco's Cloud CTO? Vijoy Pandey was previously the head of engineering for data centers and backbone networks at Google. Now he's at Cisco, and he's got a lot of interesting things to say about the different phases of automation, the needs of different users (hyperscalers, SPs, and enterprises), the gap between off-prem and on-prem cloud solutions, and how the whole serverless story may or may not play out. Hear them all on this week's episode of the Cloud Unfiltered podcast on iTunes or SoundCloud.