02-05-2002 03:45 AM - edited 03-01-2019 08:21 PM
Hi all,
I am presenting the benefit of vlan to my customer and I need some numbers/white paper that might help to convince him in implementing vlan. I could not find the recommend no. of users/vlan or the no. of workstations that will degrade a network broadcast traffic. Currently, there are IP subnets in the network for 1000 users.
Tks for any help.
02-05-2002 05:29 AM
IP only network upto 500 hosts
mixed environment upto 250 hosts
generally most people go for 200 rule and use 24 bit
masks.
02-05-2002 05:14 PM
Thank, r-godden.
Sorry for asking more, is there any white paper or design articles from cisco that recommended on the figures?
02-07-2002 05:25 PM
is the network having problems? is the precentage utilization above 60%? There are general rules of thumb that most of us live by: multiprotocol network segments range from 30-100 hosts. single protocol networks 100-200. try and show the customer that performance is a problem. it is a luxury to have small subnets.
02-22-2002 03:58 AM
I have around 500 users on one VLAN using a /21 mask. Since the number grew to that, I have been experiencing very high CPU utilization on that interface of our RSM, plus multiple throttles and dropped packets. Would you say this was related?
Daniel,
02-21-2002 11:14 AM
Did you find any Cisco documentation regarding your question? I could not find any but would agree with the statements of the 200 rule and the 24 mask.
02-21-2002 11:32 AM
Hi!
Here are useful documents broadcasts in switched LAN internetworks:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/nd20e.htm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/cuso/epso/entdes/highd_wp.htm
02-21-2002 02:58 PM
The Cisco Press CCDA book has this documented in the design section. Generally these are the guidelines.
IP - 500
IPX - 300
AT -200
Hybrid (IP/IPX/AT) - 200
If you can, verify traffic loads with a Sniffer. That would show the client their traffic patterns and backup your recommendation of VLANing the network.
Hope this helps.
JK
02-21-2002 04:04 PM
I tend to use the following guidelines as max:
IP 512 hosts
other 256 hosts
mixed 128 hosts
Additionally, given sufficient L3 performance, I use the rule of two VLANs per access switch (to do pVST load-sharing). So, if it's a 48-port switch, that makes for only 24 hosts per VLAN...
Small is beautifull.
-A
02-21-2002 05:58 PM
There aren't any "hard" rules about how many devices should be on a subnet or VLAN. The main reason is that there aren't two networks just alike. Each one is different and should be evaluated on it's own merits.
Here are some steps to take:
1. Gather information
a)protocols - which ones are being used
b)applications - how many?; how "chatty" are they; what protocols does they use?
c)devices - how many?; which apps on what devices
d)network - shared?; switched?; operating limits of the switch itself?; protocols supported by the switch; and so on.
You will need some sort of protocol analyzer to examine traffic patterns and determine what protocols are running. This will also help you in determining what percentage of your traffic is broadcast and the current utilization.
The newer switches can handle an amazing amount of traffic (forwarding rate) while offering features like the ability to limit the amount of broadcast traffic. In my network most of our VLANs are either /24's or /25's but we do have one /23 (510 devices). The /23 is a VLAN implemented on a Nortel Passport 8600 and has absolutly no problems. There are currently only approx. 325 devices but with past performance, it should eaisly handle 500. We run only IP (a BIG factor-single protocol) and a lot of different apps. Any good switch (we also have Cisco and Extreme) should be able to handle the traffic.
From a design standpoint, I try to seperate my networks by purpose, with a general rule of thumb as to the number of devices at /24.
One of the main advantages of a VLAN lies "hidden". In my opinion, one of the biggest benefits is the lower administrative cost associated with AMC, (adds,moves,changes). Very seldom do we have to change any cable, just add the port to the VLAN, or remove if that is the case, and your done.
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