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Frame relay to ATM

Kelvin Willacey
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Unfortunately for me ATM is before my time so personally I don't know it. I hope someone could explain or possibly provide an example based on the setup. I have three routers at the main/dr site and they will be using ATM, the remote routers will have a PVC to each of the three main routers and they will be running frame relay.

The remote router end is straight forward to me as they will all have a point to point sub interface with an assigned DLCI. I assume the ATM side will need to be able to map vpi/vci to the correct DLCIs but I have no idea what the ATM configuration would look like or how the process works. I am not even sure what questions to ask the provider to setup the ATM interfaces. If it were straight frame relay then I would be set but I know nothing about ATM. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

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Joseph W. Doherty
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You usually configure your ATM side "typical" for ATM PVCs.  The provider should map your ATM sides's PVC to your other side's frame-relay PVC.  I.e. your provider will need to provide you what frame-relay DLCIs maps to what ATM VPI/VCIs.  As far each side is concerned, it generally doesn't realize the other side is using a different WAN cloud technology.

BTW, one thing to note, for the same "kind" of local side WAN links (e.g. T1s), frame-relay has less overhead then ATM, so the frame-relay side can transmit faster than the ATM side can physically accept.  I.e. you can have drops and/or queuing latencies within the provider's cloud.  (This can be managed with shaping.)

Also BTW, with ATM, its "CIR" (such as VBR's SCR) may be enforced by the interface, if configured.  I.e. if you're used to relying on sustained rates above your frame-relay PVC's CIR, such as using full port speed, you might set VBR's SCR to the PCR value.  (Also note, my experience, if PCR is less than port rate, ATM vendor will likely enforce the PCR.)

Thanks for the response Joseph. The ATM end will be using an OC3 so hopefully that should be sufficient bandwidth. What do you think? In regards to the mapping is it similar to that of frame relay? Would I setup a multipoint ATM interface to go along with the point to point frame relay interfaces at the remote sites and configure the maps accordingly? Is the mapping one VPI/VCI to one DLCI or is it one VPI/VCI to many DLCIs?

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re: OC3 - depends on what the frame-relay side is.

re: mappings - when I used to do this, used subinterfaces for both frame-relay and ATM - and configured all (subinterfaces) as p2p (also for both, tied subinterface to PVC)

Also when I used to do this - one VPI/VCI to one DLCI  (if I remember correctly, both in pure ATM or FR, PVC information doesn't have to match, per side, although, of course, you need to know what matches to what for p2p configuration)

The frame relay end would have a max bandwidth of 256 kbps and there are around 100 sites. OK understood. Would you happen to have any links to what the ATM interface would look like with the desired mapping to frame relay DLCIs?

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From a 4 year old config:

interface ATM6/0

mtu 1500

no ip address

ip access-group 188 in

ip access-group 188 out

load-interval 30

atm vc-per-vp 256

atm ilmi-keepalive

scrambling-payload

!

interface ATM6/0.50 point-to-point

description CIRCUIT xxxxx

mtu 1500

bandwidth 1500

ip address 10.x.x.x.x 255.255.255.252

ip access-group 188 in

ip access-group 188 out

pvc 1/50

  vbr-nrt 1500 1500 100

  tx-ring-limit 9

  oam-pvc manage

  service-policy output CBWFQ

Don't recall what was on other side.  Above, I suspect, was for a T1 on the router.

Thanks Joseph, much appreciated.