02-02-2024 02:07 PM - edited 02-03-2024 08:39 AM
Hello Community,
Could someone please explain me what is the difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable? Because from my point of view, using the power button is the same as plugging / unplugging cable. I did it to my Cisco ISR router with power cable several times and now I'm worry that router could be damaged because of that. And another question, how to check with CLI commands if all router's components are fine after those kind of things with plugging / unplugging power cable?
Thank you.
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02-02-2024 02:23 PM
Hello @Alek5942 ,
basically there is no difference between plugging/unplugging the power cable from a router. The power button is there for your convenience - it's easier to press the power button than to plug a power cable in a router that sits in a 19" rack between other network equipment.
For the verification part, first of all observe the boot sequence while connected to the console port - if router boots successfully and no major error messages are displayed, the router should be ok.
Second, you can issue the show version command in order to check the correct ammount of RAM and flash memory. Also you can issue the show platform and show inventory to check if all hardware components are being detected by the router.
Hope it helps.
02-02-2024 02:24 PM
Sure both works same way - we generally do not remove power cable often until we like to remove the kit from Cabinet
Once router come back online you can check.
show environment see all working as expected.
02-04-2024 12:21 PM
"So, my final question for you is, from your opinion, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?"
Yes, IMO, they are different.
Again, not different enough that I believe it practically matters, especially for your concerns.
Practically, a power switch is mostly a "convenience". Much like an electric desk lamp has a power switch which you normally use rather than plugging or unplugging it.
But, besides convenience, a power switch is generally better designed for repeated operation usage and also often better designed to "better" open or close a circuit quickly.
Also consider, for network devices, we don't commonly power cycle them. So, not as much power switch need.
I would suggest if device has power switch(es) they be used for powering device on/off.
02-02-2024 02:23 PM
Hello @Alek5942 ,
basically there is no difference between plugging/unplugging the power cable from a router. The power button is there for your convenience - it's easier to press the power button than to plug a power cable in a router that sits in a 19" rack between other network equipment.
For the verification part, first of all observe the boot sequence while connected to the console port - if router boots successfully and no major error messages are displayed, the router should be ok.
Second, you can issue the show version command in order to check the correct ammount of RAM and flash memory. Also you can issue the show platform and show inventory to check if all hardware components are being detected by the router.
Hope it helps.
02-03-2024 07:28 AM - edited 02-03-2024 07:28 AM
Hello @liviu.gheorghe ,
Thank you for your reply. I checked boot sequence and there were two suspicious messages:
"no valid BOOT image found
Final autoboot attempt from default boot device..."
and
"%IOSXE_VMAN-3-MSGINITFAIL: Failed to initialize required Virt-manager resource: Initalize MQIPC"
But Router boots successfully. Could you please check above messages?
02-03-2024 08:38 AM
Hello @Alek5942 ,
1. Can you post the output from the show boot command and also dir bootflash: ?
2. The %IOSXE_VMAN-3-MSGINITFAIL: Failed to initialize required Virt-manager resource: Initalize MQIPC message states that during the initialization of the resources required by Virt-manager, a failure occurred and this has prevented virtual services from being activated.
Are you hosting KVM VM's on the ISR router? Can you share the output of the show virtual-services command?
02-03-2024 12:31 PM
Hello @liviu.gheorghe Thanks for the reply.
Router#show boot
BOOT variable =
CONFIG_FILE variable does not exist
BOOTLDR variable does not exist
Configuration register is 0x2102
Standby not ready to show bootvar
I think the reason for this error: "no valid BOOT image found
Final autoboot attempt from default boot device..." is that there BOOT variable =" is empty. After I configured it with .bin image, this error is disappeared. Thank you for the hint.
Router#show virtual-service
The process for the command is not responding or is otherwise unavailable
"Are you hosting KVM VM's on the ISR router?" - I was going to try to install iPerf there and I issued the command "iox" and then I didn't configure further and also I didn't save config. I don't whether "%IOSXE_VMAN-3-MSGINITFAIL: Failed to initialize required Virt-manager resource: Initalize MQIPC" error appeared before I configured "iox". I'll try to finish my config with iPerf and then will let you know if that error still exist.
02-03-2024 01:03 PM
The "no valid BOOT image found" message is resolved with the configuration command boot system flash <image name>
For the "%IOSXE_VMAN-3-MSGINITFAIL: Failed to initialize required Virt-manager resource: Initalize MQIPC" message, I would suggest opening a case with TAC and ask them what is the cause of the message.
02-02-2024 02:24 PM
Sure both works same way - we generally do not remove power cable often until we like to remove the kit from Cabinet
Once router come back online you can check.
show environment see all working as expected.
02-03-2024 07:35 AM
Hi @balaji.bandi Thank you for the reply.
02-02-2024 04:07 PM
For shutdown, unlikely any difference.
For powering on, power supply should be energized before power is provided to circuitry. However, I think it unlikely it makes much, if any, difference.
02-03-2024 07:42 AM
Hi @Joseph W. Doherty Thank you for the reply. Could you please clarify what do you mean by "power supply should be energized before power is provided to circuitry"? Considering what you wrote, could I potentially damage the router enabling it by plugging power cable in the socket instead of using power button? For example, most of Cisco Catalyst Switches doesn't have power buttons and therefore they powered on and off by just plugging / unplugging the cable. So, what is the difference between Router and Switch?
02-03-2024 10:37 AM
Actually, also had in mind power supplies in PCs, which, I believe, are often "powered" without the power switch being on. Routers and switches, likely have the power switch (if they have one) before the power supply.
In any case, think of electricity (somewhat) like water, and a power switch is like a gate value that can open or close very quickly.
Then consider how close such a value is to the water wheel. The closer the value, when opened, the faster the "pressure" will travel to the water wheel.
Keep in mind, though, electrical "pressure" is very fast, i.e. a significant fraction of light speed.
For just powering device, the time difference would be very, very small; except for really high speed computing, distance likely doesn't matter.
The other aspect of electrical power, what if the "pipes" to the water wheel don't already have standing water in them, i.e. you also need to fill them when you open the value.
In other words, for the water wheel to "work" it needs both water and "flow". The closer the value is, to the water wheel, the sooner the wheel can work when you open the value.
In routers and switches, etc., we often use AC power feeds, but actual power is often low voltage DC generated from the AC. Believe this too takes some time, and so a power switch between a power supply and a router's or switch's circuitry, I believe, might provide what the device needs a bit sooner than if the power switch, or plug, is upstream of the device's power supply.
Again, for switches and routers, I think it very unlikely, having and using a power switch makes any practical difference vs. connecting a plug.
The only practical thing, I suspect, that might make a difference is doing full power cycles (power switch or plug) vs. warm power cycles (e.g. Cisco reload). The former, I believe, is more stressful on the hardware. (Like how an incandesce light bulb, which seem more likely to "burn out" when you turned it on.)
02-03-2024 12:19 PM
@Joseph W. Doherty Thanks for the detailed reply. "Routers and switches, likely have the power switch (if they have one) before the power supply." - Could you please explain what do you mean by this? My Router (ISR C1101-4P) has an external power supply, so for me power switch is after, meaning that power switch button is between power supply and router itself. I don't know what you meant by "before", but for me if power switch button is between power supply and router itself it means that power switch button is "after" power supply. And as far as I understand, for the most routers power switch button is between power supply and router itself, not between power supply and power socket. I think only big switches has power switch buttons on power supply themselves.
"The only practical thing, I suspect, that might make a difference is doing full power cycles (power switch or plug) vs. warm power cycles (e.g. Cisco reload)." - By "Power Cycles" you meant turning router off and then quickly turning router on again?
Sorry for the repeating myself, but I'll ask again the same questions. When answer the following questions, please consider that my Router has an external power supply:
1. Considering that my Cisco ISR Router has an external power supply, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?
2. Could I potentially damage my Router by plugging and unplugging power cable instead of using power switch button? I didn't do Power Cycles if you mean by that turning router off and then quickly turning router on. I just several times turned router on by plugging the power cable and then after some time turned router off by unplugging the power cable.
Thank you for your patience.
02-03-2024 04:44 PM
@Alek5942 wrote:
@Joseph W. Doherty Thanks for the detailed reply. "Routers and switches, likely have the power switch (if they have one) before the power supply." - Could you please explain what do you mean by this? My Router (ISR C1101-4P) has an external power supply, so for me power switch is after, meaning that power switch button is between power supply and router itself. I don't know what you meant by "before", but for me if power switch button is between power supply and router itself it means that power switch button is "after" power supply. And as far as I understand, for the most routers power switch button is between power supply and router itself, not between power supply and power socket. I think only big switches has power switch buttons on power supply themselves.
I mean, is the actual power supply switch upstream of the power supply module, i.e. it gets no power at all, without the switch being on, vs., power supply switch being downstream of the power supply module, i.e. power supply is "hot", "live", "energized" but has noting drawing power from, as the downstream power supply switch blocks down stream usage.
Consider an ordinary room light switch. One side is "hot", all the time (unless something further upstream of the switch has the circuit open), and one side is "hot" or "cold" depending on whether that switch is open or closed.
What I'm referring to, has nothing to do with where the power switch or power model appears in the device..
@Alek5942 wrote:
"The only practical thing, I suspect, that might make a difference is doing full power cycles (power switch or plug) vs. warm power cycles (e.g. Cisco reload)." - By "Power Cycles" you meant turning router off and then quickly turning router on again?
"Quickly" has its own quirks for its possible impact to electronics. However, I just mean, yes, you remove power from the device and later provide it again.
@Alek5942 wrote:
1. Considering that my Cisco ISR Router has an external power supply, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?
I don't think it matters.
@Alek5942 wrote:
2. Could I potentially damage my Router by plugging and unplugging power cable instead of using power switch button? I didn't do Power Cycles if you mean by that turning router off and then quickly turning router on. I just several times turned router on by plugging the power cable and then after some time turned router off by unplugging the power cable.
Possibly, but I think it unlikely, it practically matters.
02-04-2024 10:52 AM
@Joseph W. Doherty thanks for the reply. Regarding this: "Considering that my Cisco ISR Router has an external power supply, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?" - Why it matters for me it's because if there is no difference, then both ways with power switch button and plugging / unplugging power cable are ok and it means that it was less likely that my Router was damaged, because I enabled and disabled it with plugging / unplugging power cable. And also, most Cisco Catalyst switches don't have power switches and I don't think switches much different than the routers which makes me think that there is no difference between using power switch button and plugging / unplugging power cable.
So, my final question for you is, from your opinion, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?
Thank you.
02-04-2024 12:21 PM
"So, my final question for you is, from your opinion, is there any difference between using power switch button on the Cisco ISR Router and plugging and unplugging power cable?"
Yes, IMO, they are different.
Again, not different enough that I believe it practically matters, especially for your concerns.
Practically, a power switch is mostly a "convenience". Much like an electric desk lamp has a power switch which you normally use rather than plugging or unplugging it.
But, besides convenience, a power switch is generally better designed for repeated operation usage and also often better designed to "better" open or close a circuit quickly.
Also consider, for network devices, we don't commonly power cycle them. So, not as much power switch need.
I would suggest if device has power switch(es) they be used for powering device on/off.
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