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UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

PC A has a 1500 byte MTU size and 1460 byte MSS size. PC A needs to send 9000 byte of data to PC B. PC B has a 1400 byte MTU(I am not 100%, but I heard MTU size can be changed) size and obviously 1360 byte MSS size. PC A will segment 9000 byte of data into 6 1460 byte and 1 240 byte,  then send all 7 segments to PC B. Since first 6 packets' size is bigger than PC B's MTU size, PC B would discard them. But since the last packet size is less than PC B's MTU size, PC B will take that last packet. If my understanding or explanation is wrong, please please let me know. 

 

P.S. If you know how to simulate that senario in the packet tracer, please let me know :) 

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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

Hello,

  Your conclusion is missing an important information which is the SYN packet MSS negotiation. The packet exchange will do by the lowest MSS capacity.

 Well, if must exist negotiations then presumably we can say that there's no MSS for UDP, only TCP.

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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

I mentioned PC A's and PC B's MSS so that you have an idea how PC A will segment 9000 byte data. I am just wondering that 9000 byte doesn't get segmented in UDP communication in L4? If not, how PC A sends 9000 byte of data to PC B without segmenting or fragmenting the data?
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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

This is not a problem at all. Fragmentation is performed on the sender following the link´s MTU. UDP rely on Fragment Offset, and More Fragments (MF)  present on IP header to organized the stream. 

 

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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

So, PC B will get only 240 byte of data out of 9000 byte since the data received from PC A is bigger than PC B's MTU size. Plus, then in this case, PC A doesn't segment the 9000 byte data in L4 and litterally pass to L3, and then fragment at L3?
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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

Nop. 

PC A will segment the 9000 byte according to link MTU and sent this to PC B so that PC B can receive all the information. There´s no way PC sent 9000 byte cause there´s no MTU with that size. 

 We are certainly talking about Ethernet here. Ethernet has MTU of 1500 right? Then, using your scenario, PC A needs 6 packets of 1500 byte plus one more packet with 240 byte. 

 Also, we are talking about L4 only here. TCP/UDP has no idea what L3 is about. They are only a payload inside L3 packet.

 Is that making sense?

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Re: UDP Communication and MTU/MSS Size

How PC A segments the 9000 byte according to link MTU? If PC A segments the 9000 byte according to MSS or fragments the 9000 byte according to MTU, I do understand. Segmentation and MTU do not match according to what I have learned from ICND 1.
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