06-02-2019 01:28 PM
Hi,
I am installing CER in our environment for the first time. I have reviewed the documents of cisco and understood the functionality. But I still have few queries, Could someone please clarify.
1. I want to know how to track the phones. I have enabled snmp on CER and CUCM. but not enabled snmp on our switches. Instead of Switches , I want to add super-net of the respective locations to add those phones to respective ERL's. Does it work only by adding IP Segments and not included in switches to CER?
2. Need clarification on ALI details. What ever the details update in ALI of CER , does it replicate with PASP? or database maintain by the carrier it shows. Also, do we need to get in touch with carrier to show the ALI information on our CER?
3. Also want to know what does default ERL do? As I understood, if phone not part of ip segment or configured swtichport and dialed 911, uses default ERL's.. what it couple of numbers of dialed 911 and not matches the existing erls then uses the default ERL's. But default erls has only ALI info of one location. Who we can correct it. to make sure if details not matches, just pass the dialed number with receiving calling mask.
06-02-2019 02:31 PM
Also, how we can track our cisco soft phones as it wont show in CDP neighbor or also on switches.
06-02-2019 06:35 PM
1. You can track by subnet alone; no need to configure switch ports if subnet is granular enough. Subnet tracking is traditionally how you cover softphones; however, Jabber and CUCM 12.x support reporting BSSID information, allowing you to assign access points to an ERL. This finally overcomes a long-standing issue of wireless location tracking, especially on campuses where later three roaming in the mobility group can really undermine subnet-based tracking, to say nothing of the only periodic sync interval.
2. CER has no native connection the your carrier’s PS-ALI database. You have three options here: A) use SP-ALI where the SP creates the ALI records per-ANI on your behalf and you configure CER in accordance with that; B) pay for access to you carrier’s PS-ALI database, configure CER, and export the ALI data for upload to the carrier’s portal; or, C) pay for RedSky Anywhere or Entrado that integrates with CER to centralize 911 call routing instead of sending the call to your SP.
3. CER always replaces the calling party number. If you are very careful and precise with your CUCM configuration, it would *probably* be feasible to achieve your goal after CER routed the call using the Default ERL; however, this is not how the product is designed to work. If the egress route from CUCM after CER is set to use EPNM, it would revert back to the original calling party information so long as you don’t touch a Translation Pattern. I recommend against this though.
06-02-2019 06:52 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
1. yes. I am going with my Subnet. which is feasible with my environment as we are not going with regards to building or floor level.
2. I think, I need to work with carrier on getting and use SP-ALI. In our case, we don't want to do that access directly the SP database and
3. Had clarification on this point also.
Thank-you again for clarifying it.
@Jonathan Schulenberg wrote:1. You can track by subnet alone; no need to configure switch ports if subnet is granular enough. Subnet tracking is traditionally how you cover softphones; however, Jabber and CUCM 12.x support reporting BSSID information, allowing you to assign access points to an ERL. This finally overcomes a long-standing issue of wireless location tracking, especially on campuses where later three roaming in the mobility group can really undermine subnet-based tracking, to say nothing of the only periodic sync interval.
2. CER has no native connection the your carrier’s PS-ALI database. You have three options here: A) use SP-ALI where the SP creates the ALI records per-ANI on your behalf and you configure CER in accordance with that; B) pay for access to you carrier’s PS-ALI database, configure CER, and export the ALI data for upload to the carrier’s portal; or, C) pay for RedSky Anywhere or Entrado that integrates with CER to centralize 911 call routing instead of sending the call to your SP.
3. CER always replaces the calling party number. If you are very careful and precise with your CUCM configuration, it would *probably* be feasible to achieve your goal after CER routed the call using the Default ERL; however, this is not how the product is designed to work. If the egress route from CUCM after CER is set to use EPNM, it would revert back to the original calling party information so long as you don’t touch a Translation Pattern. I recommend against this though.
06-04-2019 02:25 AM
When working with E911 just be sure to test your configurations to ensure the desired outcome. If you’re not using a routing service , CER is going to just transform calling party numbers so you can monitor how it works by changing the destination of an ERL.
@vasu_hanu661. I want to know how to track the phones. I have enabled snmp on CER and CUCM. but not enabled snmp on our switches. Instead of Switches , I want to add super-net of the respective locations to add those phones to respective ERL's. Does it work only by adding IP Segments and not included in switches to CER?
You can use the subnet based layer 3 tracking to specify a network and assign it an ERL. Multiple networks can have the same ERL. This provides you only with a relative location when taking this approach, but more specific than the default system location. NENA Guidelines for ERL zoning usually recommend a maximum size to the ERL in square footage to minimize the amount of searching emergency responders need to do, but you may not be able to be too specific without changing infrastructure- or you may not need to be in the case of an office suite or smaller location.
2. Need clarification on ALI details. What ever the details update in ALI of CER , does it replicate with PASP? or database maintain by the carrier it shows. Also, do we need to get in touch with carrier to show the ALI information on our CER?
If you use a V911 service, then it can sync if you update the ALI details after validating them . Otherwise you either can use the NENA PSALI formatting tools to export your data and send to the provider / use their tools , or you update it yourself. Consult your carrier as to which services they offer, and what flexibility they will allow you to make changes .
3. Also want to know what does default ERL do? As I understood, if phone not part of ip segment or configured swtichport and dialed 911, uses default ERL's.. what it couple of numbers of dialed 911 and not matches the existing erls then uses the default ERL's. But default erls has only ALI info of one location. Who we can correct it. to make sure if details not matches, just pass the dialed number with receiving calling mask.
That is what the default will do is just pass it out as it is if you don’t use an ELIN with that ERL. Default is only going to have the ALI info of whatever you put in there, so if you are using CER with a multi site environment you will want to consider carefully the possibility of calls using this pattern. Any call to the ER route point will be parsed regardless of what number you dialed initially. If you don’t use a ELIN then ensure whatever the destination is can accept or route the call with needed transformations, or the call will fail.
This is is based on my experiences operating a CER cluster so I again just suggest testing in your environment. You usually can contact your public safety dispatch and arrange to place test 911 calls to ensure the information is seen at your PSAP correctly. If you’re sending over your regular trunks you’ll need to make sure that you can assert the ELIN numbers and not just a main or billing number as well or it will also fail to route in selective routing.
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