CPAM - Card read to function as request to exit

[derrickmunro]

I have a customer that wants to have read in and read out for a person 7-5pm, but we noticed they cannot leave past 5pm without causing a forced open alarm.  How can we still allow them to leave, even outside of their access time?

I did set this up:

Global IO

Trigger - Credential read on Shop Door card reader 2 (ONLY the inside reader)

Action - Door grant access for Shop Door

That will allow any read (deny or grant) at any time to grant access, but with global IO there is about a 3-5 second delay.

[jfiranzi]

Hi Derrick,

I'm not sure I fully understand your question.  Please correct the following statements:

There is a card reader on the inside of the door and another on the outside.

You have a schedule assigned so that successful badge reads during the hours of 7-5 grant access.

This schedule is applied to the door.

What is the result when someone at 5:01 pm swipes their badge at the outside reader (grant or deny access?)

What is the result when someone at 5:01 pm swipes their badge at the inside reader (grant or deny access?)

What is the intended result of swiping a badge after 5pm from the inside reader?  Grant access and do not sound an alarm?

Thanks,

Jim

[derrickmunro]

What is the result when someone at 5:01 pm swipes their badge at the outside reader (grant or deny access?)

Deny Access

What is the result when someone at 5:01 pm swipes their badge at the inside reader (grant or deny access?)

Grant Access

What is the intended result of swiping a badge after 5pm from the inside reader?  Grant access and do not sound an alarm?

Exactly we want to make sure if you are in the building past your access hours you can leave and not cause a forced open alarm.

[jfiranzi]

Derrick,

I'm getting closer to understanding, but not quite there yet

If you swipe after hours at the internal reader, CPAM logs a grant access.  Why does this trigger an alarm?  (and by alarm, do you mean an event in the logs, or sounding an audible alarm?)

If would help me to understand if you took screen shots of your door configuration for outside and inside doors.

Thanks,

Jim

[derrickmunro]

The first alarm that would go off is "Door Deny Access" the second would be the person exiting without permission "Door Forced Open."

Not sure what you mean by, "CPAM grants access on internal readers".  How would you specify this?

[jfiranzi]

Hi Derrick,

I thought you had said earlier that a Grant Access event was logged if the inside reader were swpied at 5:01.

What is the result when someone at 5:01 pm swipes their badge at the inside reader (grant or deny access?)

Grant Access

Are yougetting a Grant or a Deny Access after 5pm when swiping a card at the inside reader?

Can you screen shot your door config please?

Thanks,

Jim

[derrickmunro]

There seems to be some confusion about the way I want things to function and the way things are functioning.

The way things currently function

Outisde

4:58 - Grant

4:59 - Grant

5:00 - Grant

5:01 - Deny (Alarm *Door Deny Access*)

Inside

4:58 - Grant
4:59 - Grant
5:00 - Grant

5:01 - Deny (Alarm *Door Deny Access*), Someone uses crash bar to exit anyways (Alarm *Door Forced Open*)

The way I want things to function

Outisde

4:58 - Grant

4:59 - Grant

5:00 - Grant

5:01 - Deny (Alarm *Door Deny Access*)

Inside

4:58 - Grant
4:59 - Grant
5:00 - Grant

5:01 - Grant

This way someone will be denied outside of the area, but allowed to leave without causing any troubles.

[jfiranzi]

Hi Derrick,

I was hoping for that screen shot of how the door is defined in CPAM, but lets if we can solve this together with a workaround or two.

I'm going to assume there is a door bar on the inside of the door (for fire safety reasons), and that pushing the door bar mechanically opens the lock and sounds the alarm, generating door forced open.

Option 1: (simpler of the two options)

You could (using Global IO) change your schedule so that the outside reader is disabled from 5pm - 11:59pm and midnight to 7am.  Put the door on a 24x5 schedule (if you are closed on weekends) or 24x7 schedule.  Now if someone tries badging in outside of working hours, the outside reader is disabled, so they cannot get in.  Someone stuck inside after hours can still badge out, get an access granted and leave without triggering an alarm.

You would have to alter the schedule on the outside door so that it is disabled on special holidays if you went that route.

Option 2:  (requires some re-wiring.)

Create thedoor to include a normally open Rex.  Leave the outside reader on your original schedule, grant access during 7am-5pm, deny outside of those hours.  Now for the tricky part....  define a second door (a phantom door really, we'll call it the inside door).  The inside door will only have a single output, no door sensor, no alarm or rex... just a lock.  Wire the lock output to the rex input for the (outside) door.  Set the inside door on a 24x7x365 schedule.

Now when someone badges out, the phantom door sends a signal to the lock (which really goes to the rex input for the outside door) and allows the push bar to open the door without logging a deny access or sounding an alarm.

I hope that helps,

Jim