01-19-2013 03:41 AM
Hi all,
I found large layer 2 domain is becoming more and more popular these days in data center networking design. Why we need a larger layer 2 domain? Do we have any use cases that could explain this?
thanks a lot!
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01-20-2013 04:56 AM
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When I mentioned Cisco's OTV, I didn't mean it to exclude something like TRILL, or some of the other technologies you've mentioned in your last post. (Sorry if I mislead.)
What I'm trying to express, is supporting various forms of server redundancy I believe is one of the motivations of changes to the data center. Is some respects, L2 makes some redundancy "easier" if you don't have to deal with L3 changes.
Something I didn't touch on, some of the focus of L2, I also believe, is for ultra high performance. There's the old saying "switch when you can, route when you must". Of course, this predates much of modern L3, such as L3 switches and MPLS, but today "cut through" switching has made a come back.
What you might want to do is repost this question (or thread) into the Data Center forum, where those who focus on Data Center considerations, might have different and/or better reasons.
01-19-2013 05:42 AM
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An excellent question!
Perhaps one of the biggest drivers for going back to L2 has been virtual servers that can logically migrate from one part of the network infrastructure to another.
Consider a host, even perhaps a user host, that's wired into your network. Once that host is on-line, if I repatch it to another port, same VLAN/subnet, it usually will resume operation, on the network, with little fuss. Its MAC remains the same and its IP remains the same.
If I repatch the host into a different VLAN/subnet its MAC remains the same but it will need a new IP (DHCP for a server?). The latter, different IP, is what causes issues, especially for other hosts trying to reach it (dynamic DNS? - DNS cache timers?). Security access (ACLs based on static IPs and/or subnet blocks?)
Although L2 migration avoids L3 migration issues, it has scalability issues, both logical and physical. The logical is being addressed by new technologies such as Cisco's OTV and the physical by new "fabric" approaches (often similar concept to what FibreChannel).
01-19-2013 07:44 AM
Hi JosephDoherty,
thank you for your input. I agree that VM mobility is one of the reason, but it may not be the main one. What if we need to move VM anywhere, even across datacenter? Yes, OTV can extend VLAN across VLAN, but I would like to know more about large L2 domain within the data center, like TRILL was designed for.
In addition, for VM mobility, there are protocols like VXLAN, NVGRE that can meet the requirements of VM mobility. And L3 protocol seems to be more suitable for moving workload anywhere because of it's high scalability.
How do you think?
01-20-2013 04:56 AM
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When I mentioned Cisco's OTV, I didn't mean it to exclude something like TRILL, or some of the other technologies you've mentioned in your last post. (Sorry if I mislead.)
What I'm trying to express, is supporting various forms of server redundancy I believe is one of the motivations of changes to the data center. Is some respects, L2 makes some redundancy "easier" if you don't have to deal with L3 changes.
Something I didn't touch on, some of the focus of L2, I also believe, is for ultra high performance. There's the old saying "switch when you can, route when you must". Of course, this predates much of modern L3, such as L3 switches and MPLS, but today "cut through" switching has made a come back.
What you might want to do is repost this question (or thread) into the Data Center forum, where those who focus on Data Center considerations, might have different and/or better reasons.
01-20-2013 04:48 PM
Hi JosephDoherty,
Thanks a lot for your help. Your input do have valuable information. I will post the same question to data center section.
01-20-2013 05:37 PM
I will post the same question to data center section.
You're going to sow confusion if you post the same question.
You can MOVE this thread to the DC section.
01-20-2013 06:11 PM
Oh....sorry for that. I will MOVE it. Could you pls help delete the duplciates?
01-20-2013 06:39 PM
Could you pls help delete the duplciates?
You can do that too. Look to the upper right-hand corner of the screen. You'll see the "Delete" with a red icon.
01-20-2013 08:54 PM
No, there is no "Delete" red icon under "Action" to me.
01-20-2013 06:15 PM
It looks like I cannot change the Corrent Answer, right? If so, maybe no one will help to answer my question. I must re-post it, is there any better choice?
thank you!
01-20-2013 09:09 PM
Under the Actions box, click "Report Abuse".
Request that this thread be relocated.
01-20-2013 10:37 PM
No such "Report Abuse" function under "Actions"
02-27-2013 05:41 AM
Look at Ivan Pepelnjak's posts on our favorite topic where he smashes all arguments for Layer 2 DCI (-:
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