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roomkit audio issues

NetworKing16
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We have many roomkits in classrooms this one room has been kind of stumping us despite not being much different than other rooms as far as size. They had issues with remote people hearing them, added a second mic still same thing, added another no change. I did a bunch of trial and error trying things like noise removal, de-reverberation on and off, a few levels nothing seemed to help. We tried a few things with the mics I had put in one was older square type, other was round type newer. Tested with my boss and he said one seemed to help some but other seemed like made it worse. Today I setup some temp mics ran all the wire below the drop ceiling, but mics on ceiling facing down. I tried these two mics and I think just one in front was marginally more clear but no louder. 

I noticed these all default to zone 1, the tool tips says something about zones guide the unit in audio formatting but there is nothing I can find where you can draw zones for these mics and I also see nothing of if they can all be zone 1 or if should be different. I also thought from sounds of it maybe there was some document i never found that like zone 1 is generic, 2 is for presenter mic and 3 is for audience, etc. It seems everything I try doing with external mics the best pickup seems to be from the roomkit itself, maybe if right under a mic it is noticeably better. Also tried the external mics without the extension cable and did hardly anything. Also replaced the roomkit too thinking was maybe a hardware issue. We see no packet loss or other quality issues that would make think is network related. 

Is there something I'm missing on these, all the other units seem similar gain settings around 14, all mics zone 1 no mention of issues in these other rooms.

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The average's person's mouth height from the floor is 39-43 inches (3.25-3.58feet). If the ceiling height 9ft that is still over 5ft to the person (if the person was looking straight up at the mic), but in reality it is the mic in front of them that is the shortest distance. So you will definitely be over the 5ft pickup range. This is the biggest reason you don't want to run these as a ceiling mic. Now that's not to say you can't get pickup in the room, but often the gain is increased to the level of picking up additional items like echo, duct noises and other sounds. I would highly recommend look at the ceiling mics from Cisco instead to solve this issue. I personally have switched over to the standard of the Ceiling Mic Pro on my current installations as the AI ability built into those are amazing. But if your current device doesn't support them then go either table mics on the table or ceiling mics for the ceiling.
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/collaboration-endpoints/telepresence-microphones/datasheet-c78-736073.html

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NetworKing16
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Thanks guys, prior boss for whatever reason went with the table mics. We looked into did some testing with new boss and he said like 5FT and then even at like 6FT it sounded a lot worse. We ended up re-using a ceiling mic from an old MX MX700 that died used with ethernet to TRRS converter and he said it was way better. We left one table mic up in a rear corner of the room not sure did a ton but i guess helped a little in that spot.

Happy to hear you got it sorted.  Don't forget to mark a comment as helpful / mark it as the solution if it provided you help. This way the answer is pulled to the top and others can easily find it.    

NetworKing16
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CS-MIC-table-J so table mic, (TTC5-14) Uses a 3.5 TRRS plug.
The ceiling in these rooms is only about 9-10FT so not extreme, room is probably like 20X25 or so size.

The average's person's mouth height from the floor is 39-43 inches (3.25-3.58feet). If the ceiling height 9ft that is still over 5ft to the person (if the person was looking straight up at the mic), but in reality it is the mic in front of them that is the shortest distance. So you will definitely be over the 5ft pickup range. This is the biggest reason you don't want to run these as a ceiling mic. Now that's not to say you can't get pickup in the room, but often the gain is increased to the level of picking up additional items like echo, duct noises and other sounds. I would highly recommend look at the ceiling mics from Cisco instead to solve this issue. I personally have switched over to the standard of the Ceiling Mic Pro on my current installations as the AI ability built into those are amazing. But if your current device doesn't support them then go either table mics on the table or ceiling mics for the ceiling.
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/collaboration-endpoints/telepresence-microphones/datasheet-c78-736073.html

Stefan Mihajlov
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@NetworKing16 

We had a very similar issue in our environment.
In our case, the problem was not the RoomKit or microphones, but the network switch.

The RoomKit was connected to an Allied Telesis switch, and we experienced the same behavior (remote side hearing us poorly, inconsistent mic performance).
As soon as we moved the RoomKit back to a Cisco switch (CBS seria), the audio issues disappeared immediately and everything worked normally.

Jonathan Schulenberg
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What microphones are you using?

The xConfiguration Audio Input Microphone[2] Mode are set to On, correct?

When you replaced the Room Kit itself, did you start with a new factory default config or did you backup & restore? If the latter, try a factory reset to wipe any non-default values out.

As for xConfiguration Audio Input Microphone[1] Zone, that is used by the Presenter and Audience room mode macro.

The secondary mic 2 and 3 modes are set to on.

Mic is 74-120677-01

Yes the new unit was reset to default before and then activated in the same webex space as the old one.
All the settings I looked at were in the local web UI of the device. 

Is this the MXA310 Table Array Mic?  That's what popped up when I tried to search that part number. I also got a analog style Cisco table mic...  If MXA310 is the mic, are you using the P300 or ANIUSB-Matrix with it, or are you using the software upgrade license for room kits for the Dante direct connection?  

If its the Cisco analog table mic, keep in mind these are only a 5ft pickup range and should be table side not ceiling side.  Think a sitting person and the distance between their head on the ceiling is often going to be greater then that pickup range.

No idea what "74-120677-01" is; it's not a Cisco model or SKU.