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wifi project question

eng amr fouad
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hey , we are a company in Egypt and we are changing our wireless infrastructure .the contractor who is doing the project tells me that any wall access point "C9120AXE-I" with antenna "air-ant2566p4w-rs" is good even in small places .. this antenna is directional ...here is a screenshot 
d35d1db2-a5cb-4c96-8b95-9e5bf63da739.jpeg

be advised that behind the camera is also a wall . is this good? . as I understand directional antenna is only good for point to point or large area's.. so is what he is doing is correct ?

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  - >thank you . but I am asking about putting this antenna in a narrow place like that ..I don't think directional antenna would be suitable .
                      - Besides expecting that  originally a  wireless site survey has been done  , it should now be done again
                        with the purpose of checking coverage  for the intended AP-models (and antenna's)
                        and or  use this combination (AP + antenna)  for testing
  first 

 M.



-- Let everything happen to you  
       Beauty and terror
      Just keep going    
       No feeling is final
Reiner Maria Rilke (1899)

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I'd be inclined to agree with you but as the others have said the only way to be sure is with a post-install survey.
Don't wait till the end of the project - insist that he does a survey of that location immediately to prove what he is saying.

Frankly I don't understand why he has even used an external antenna which is just extra cost.  Why didn't he use a C9120-AXI (internal antenna) AP there?

You can compare the radiation patterns of the 2 AP models at:
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/antenna/installation/guide/ant2566p4w.html
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/antenna/installation/guide/b-air-ant2544v4m-ns.html

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Leo's list of bugs affecting 2800/3800/4800/1560 APs
Default AP console baud rate from 17.12.x is 115200 - introduced by CSCwe88390
AP supported channel lookup: https://apchannels.cisco.com/

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Leo Laohoo
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The AIR-ANT2566P4W is in the Approved Antennas Catalyst 9120e.

thank you . but I am asking about putting this antenna in a narrow place like that ..I don't think directional antenna would be suitable .

 

  - >thank you . but I am asking about putting this antenna in a narrow place like that ..I don't think directional antenna would be suitable .
                      - Besides expecting that  originally a  wireless site survey has been done  , it should now be done again
                        with the purpose of checking coverage  for the intended AP-models (and antenna's)
                        and or  use this combination (AP + antenna)  for testing
  first 

 M.



-- Let everything happen to you  
       Beauty and terror
      Just keep going    
       No feeling is final
Reiner Maria Rilke (1899)


@eng amr fouad wrote:
but I am asking about putting this antenna in a narrow place like that ..I don't think directional antenna would be suitable .

One picture is not enough to make any decision.

Get a wireless site survey done to validate the design &/or the choice of antenna.

eng amr fouad
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we have done a heat map and a site survey.. its said on the heat map that this access point should be air-ant2544v4m-rs .. but instead he installed air-ant2566p4w-rs saying that it will work. a heat map will be done in the end of the project but i don't believe him 

I'd be inclined to agree with you but as the others have said the only way to be sure is with a post-install survey.
Don't wait till the end of the project - insist that he does a survey of that location immediately to prove what he is saying.

Frankly I don't understand why he has even used an external antenna which is just extra cost.  Why didn't he use a C9120-AXI (internal antenna) AP there?

You can compare the radiation patterns of the 2 AP models at:
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/antenna/installation/guide/ant2566p4w.html
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/antenna/installation/guide/b-air-ant2544v4m-ns.html

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Please click Helpful if this post helped you and Accept as Solution if this answered your query.
------------------------------
TAC recommended codes for AireOS WLC's   and   TAC recommended codes for 9800 WLC's
Best Practices for AireOS WLC's,   Best Practices for 9800 WLC's   and   Cisco Wireless compatibility matrix
Check your 9800 WLC config with Wireless Config Analyzer using "show tech wireless" output or "config paging disable" then "show run-config" output on AireOS and use Wireless Debug Analyzer to analyze your WLC client debugs
Field Notice: FN63942 APs and WLCs Fail to Create CAPWAP Connections Due to Certificate Expiration
Field Notice: FN72424 Later Versions of WiFi 6 APs Fail to Join WLC - Software Upgrade Required
Field Notice: FN72524 IOS APs stuck in downloading state after 4 Dec 2022 due to Certificate Expired
- Fixed in 8.10.196.0, latest 9800 releases, 8.5.182.12 (8.5.182.13 for 3504) and 8.5.182.109 (IRCM, 8.5.182.111 for 3504)
Field Notice: FN70479 AP Fails to Join or Joins with 1 Radio due to Country Mismatch, RMA needed
Field Notice: FN74383 APs Running 17.12.4/5/6/6a May Run Out of Flash Space Preventing Upgrades
How to avoid boot loop due to corrupted image on Wave 2 and Catalyst 11ax Access Points (CSCvx32806)
Field Notice: FN74035 - Wave2 APs DFS May Not Detect Radar After Channel Availability Check Time
Leo's list of bugs affecting 2800/3800/4800/1560 APs
Default AP console baud rate from 17.12.x is 115200 - introduced by CSCwe88390
AP supported channel lookup: https://apchannels.cisco.com/

Haydn Andrews
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My view is first if this is meant to be covering the area below the antenna, I would have had some down tilt or the antenna lower.

I also dont like having big metal ducts right below the sides of a patch antenna, your going to have bunch of reflection happening, and may have some issues to areas on the other side and below them.

Generally I only use directional antennas indoors for the following reasons

1. trying to contain the signal to a specific area - generally high densitiy

2. Warehouse/ long skinny rooms where i need to push all way to other side.

So not sure what the wireless design was trying to do in this case.

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