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Catalyst 9800 and RF group scaling / RF group behavior

Johannes Luther
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Hi wireless professionals,

I'm currently reading some docs and stumbled upon this statement in the 17.3 IOS-XE 9800 config guide:

 

Restrictions for Radio Resource Management

The number of APs in a RF-group is limited to 3000

 

I bet this is a documentation error, right? What about the 9800-CL or 9800-80 WLC, which supports more than 3000 APs.

Any thought on this?

 

But then I thought about horizontal WLC scaling. Let's say we have 9800-40 WLCs, supporting 3000 APs and building up two deployments, that we support 6000 APs in total (in the same mobility domain).

Typically I would use the same RF group for both deployments.

In AireOS this works flawlessly, because:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-3/b_RRM_White_Paper/b_RRM_White_Paper_chapter_011.html

>> If you exceed the maximum allowed number of APs for a given RF Group, the group simply splits and creates a new RF Group Leader using the same RF Group Name on the controller that the AP joined to create the condition. This sounds a lot worse than it is, and in practice most folks are generally not even aware of it until they look for the RF Group Leaders and notice that there is more than one per band. 

 

The IOS-XE configuration guide states

>> If an AP tries to join the RF-group that already holds the maximum number of APs it can support, the
device rejects the application and throws an error.

What?!

 

So meaning if I do horizontal scaling of WLCs I need to manually ensure my RF groups don't exceed the limits. In AireOS the WLC took care of this automatically. Or is it a documentation bug as well?

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 Ref : https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-8/b_C9800_rrm_dg.html#id_94106

               From  the table-below the Maximum AP/RF Group for the 'big-models' is higher

 

Group Leader WLC

Maximum APs

Maximum AP/RF Group

3504

150

500

C9800-L

250

500

5508

500

1000

C9800-CL (Small)

1000

2000

5520

1500

3000

C9800-40

2000

4000

C9800-CL (Medium)

3000

6000

8500/8540

6000

6000

C9800-CL (Large)

6000

12000

C9800-80

6000

12000



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Mark Elsen
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 Ref : https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-8/b_C9800_rrm_dg.html#id_94106

               From  the table-below the Maximum AP/RF Group for the 'big-models' is higher

 

Group Leader WLC

Maximum APs

Maximum AP/RF Group

3504

150

500

C9800-L

250

500

5508

500

1000

C9800-CL (Small)

1000

2000

5520

1500

3000

C9800-40

2000

4000

C9800-CL (Medium)

3000

6000

8500/8540

6000

6000

C9800-CL (Large)

6000

12000

C9800-80

6000

12000



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       Beauty and terror
      Just keep going    
       No feeling is final
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Restrictions for Radio Resource Management

The number of APs in a RF-group is limited to 3000

 

I bet this is a documentation error, right? What about the 9800-CL or 9800-80 WLC, which supports more than 3000 APs.

Any thought on this?

Sounds like a documentation error, considering the below document was last updated on 2018 I would depend on the configuration guide.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/8-8/b_C9800_rrm_dg.html

https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/apjc/docs/2019/pdf/BRKEWN-3010.pdf

 

For horizontal scaling I see static RF group leader assignment is the way to go.

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