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Slip issues on three T-1's

kgroves42
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Level 3

I have three t-1's plugged into a 2921 Router, two go into one t1 controller card and 1 goes into another. two are bonded together and connect to an MPLS network. The other one is for a PRI. They go to separate Carriers. The issue I am having is when I make one of the t1's the priority with the command

"network-clock-select 1 T1" the other t1's start getting slip errors. For example if I make the t1 that connects to the PRI the primary clock source the t1's on the MPLS start getting slip errors and if I make the MPLS t1 the priority I get slips on the PRI t1.  I have tried removing the "network-clock-participate" for the t-1's connected to the MPLS network however I still am getting slips on those. Any Ideas?

Thanks

Ken

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Chris Deren
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame

What card types are you using?

Chris

VWIC2-2MFT-T1/E1 - 2-Port RJ-48 Multiflex Trunk - T1/E1

Thanks

See the following:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps5855/prod_qas0900aecd8028d2e5.html

Q. How do the Cisco VWIC3 cards differ from the VWIC2 cards?

A. The Cisco VWIC3 cards are supported only on the Cisco Integrated Services Router (ISR) 1900, 2900, 3900 and 3900E series platforms. The VWIC3 cards add enhancements to the previous generation VWIC2 cards, including:

Enhanced clocking capabilities: The Cisco VWIC3 cards can enable each port to be clocked from an independent clock source for data applications. Data ports can also be clocked independent of voice ports. All voice ports on the card much use the same clock source.

Multiple data channel-groups supported per T1/E1 port

Q. How do the Cisco VWIC2 cards differ from the previous generation VWIC cards?

A. The Cisco VWIC2 cards add numerous enhancements to the previous generation Cisco VWIC cards. These improvements include:

Enhanced clocking capabilities: The Cisco 2-port VWIC2 cards can enable each port to be clocked from independent clock sources for data applications. This independent clocking capability is not supported for voice applications or with the Cisco ATM/Voice Advanced Integration Modules (part numbers AIM-ATM, AIM-VOICE-30, and AIM-ATM-VOICE-30).

So, unless you have a dedicated NM card for second carrier to isolate the clocking, you will not be able to do this with this card, VWIC3 allows for that, but as seen above you need to be on ISR G2 router.

HTH,

Chris

Thanks for the information.

Tracy Larson
Level 4
Level 4

We had the same issue depending on what vendor we were using. Try this on your controllers. Leave the PRI configurations just like they should be.

controller T1 0/0/0

fdl both

clock source line independent

cablelength long 0db

channel-group 0 timeslots 1-24

This does make a different but only on VWIC3 cards.

Chris

hmmm, strange. Unless I am reading this incorrectly. I have a 3825 router, our data is provided by AT&T and our PRI's are provided by CenturyLink. In the router we have VWIC2-2MFT-T1/E1 cards.

The only thing that solved our clocking errors (slips) was this configuration.

WIC 0 contains the data circuit and WIC 1 contains our PRI's.

network-clock-participate wic 1

network-clock-select 1 T1 0/1/0

network-clock-select 2 T1 0/1/1

controller T1 0/0/0

fdl both

clock source line independent

cablelength long 0db

channel-group 0 timeslots 1-24

!

controller T1 0/0/1

fdl both

clock source line independent

cablelength long 0db

channel-group 0 timeslots 1-24

!

controller T1 0/1/0

fdl both

cablelength long 0db

pri-group timeslots 1-24

!

controller T1 0/1/1

fdl both

cablelength long 0db

pri-group timeslots 1-24

So that portion in the document says this shouldnt be working for us?

Tracy,

Your configuration works because you are using two separate VWIC cards.  The rule for VWIC cards is that the entire card, and all its ports, must  either participate in network clock or NOT participate.  In your case you have WIC 1 which is participating and WIC 0 which is not.  For cards that do participate only one port can be the 'reference' clock for the router at any one time.  Thus the network-clock-select command sets up a hierarchy of ports to take over the reference clock role if the primary port goes down.

PRI-ISDN circuits require the network-clock-participate command so you had to select them as the clock source for the router.  Data circuits, however, don't require it so they can be free-floating and/or run independently of the backplane/network-clock if you don't tell the card they are on to participate in the backplane/network clock source

The larger question you need to ask is why AT&T and Century Link (once Qwest) aren't using the same TDM clock source?   If a one carrier 's T1/E1 clock is not synced with another carrier's T1/E1 clock source then it is time to find out why. PRI-ISDN circuits from tier 1 carriers are nominally synced from a stratum 1 source thus, IMHO, PRI-ISDN circuits usually are the best sources for TDM clock on a router.

Thus you might want to ask if the clock skew coming from one of your NIU's, is it the distance to your CO, a bad card somewhere?  Might be worth the trouble to ask for a lineman to come out and verify your circuits are good.

Edit: You might simply check the quality, condition, and length of your cables.

-Steven


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Hey thanks for the response, Steve! We have gone round and round with AT&T in multiple areas about this same subject and got nowhere with them. Anywhere else with Sprint, Verizon etc its never an issue. Only with AT&T. Thanks for the info !

Tracy