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C1161-8p Router + switch - Backplane performance

fabios
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Good evening,

I just took delivery of a new C1161 (in the OP was wrongfully indicated as 1611 this note is here to explain the misunderstanding below) which is a router + 8 port switch. I am a bit stumped about the switch performance: I cannot find any documentation about its capabilities in term of Packet Per Second or BPS. Also I am curious aboute the performance of the interconnection of switch and router VLAN. I.e. I have a, lets say, vlan 9 configured on a switchport and I do configure a "encapsulation dot1q 9" sub-interface on the "WAN" interface with dot1q encapsulation and access to VLAN9. the traffic between VLAN9 on the switch port and the WAN subinterface is hardware switched (and with what performance) or is processor switched? 

Is there anyone that knows where I can find answers to this questions? 

Thanks in advance

Fabio

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Joseph W. Doherty
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I tried to find information on this ISR series, but from Cisco they only appear to note it's EoL and EoS.  Couldn't find much about the series, searching the Internet, especially on the 1611.  I even tried searching the Wayback Archive.

Considering both its age and placement in the Cisco family, I wouldn't be surprised if it might struggle routing at even 10 Mbps.  Its switch ports, between themselves, doing L2, might be wirespeed capable, but probably bandwidth constrained to/from the L3 ports, even if such a port is using a subinterface.  I'm unsure you can actually join a subinterface, at L2, with a VLAN.  Possibly you can join L2 in bridge mode, but don't recall if that can be done with subinterfaces.

BTW are the Ethernet ports just 10 or 10/100?

Hello Joseph,

I believe there is a mis-id of the platform. The Cisco 1161 is a rather new platform running Cisco IOS XE version 17 (Linux based I believe) and also supporting SDWAN. The ports are all 1 Gigabit capable and 4 out of 8 are PoE (if you purchase the option at initia order, which I did not do because I do not need it). 2 of the switch port are flex port (can be reconfigured as WAN ports) meaning can be router ports rather than switchport.

Currently in IMIX using fiber to the home, I get 850-900 Mbps, using the classic, web based, speed tests. The IPSEC performance is capped at 50 Mbps uness you get the HSEC license. It is quite a capable platform! more info at https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/1000-series-integrated-services-routers-isr/datasheet-c78-742893.html

The reason why I am asking the question above, relates to the fact I wish to fully use the switch (8 Gb ports are a valuable asset) and need to understand how to best integrate it (2 C1300-mgp-2x which are 8x1Gbit 4x2.5 gigabit and 2 10Gbit ports) and 3 3560-gb Switches. I need to makesure the backplane of the 1611 is not a bottleneck.

Thanks for your time

Fabio

Could you provide a Cisco link that describes this particular model?  (BTW, I was wondering about "new", in OP.)

fabios
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Joseph,

my deepest apologies. It's me that misID the plasform. I must have been tired and I swapped the two middle digits!

From sh ver this time! cisco C1161X-8P

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/1000-series-integrated-services-routers-isr/datasheet-c78-739512.html#Cisco116xISRsHighperformancesmallformfactor 

About new .... yes purchased in October I had to wait 6 weeks for delivery ...

Sorry! I shall fix the Subject and previous post ITS IS MISLEADING! Just to clean up the thread and the board.

Fabio

Ah, that goes a long way in explaining why I couldn't find any mention of an 1611 within the 1600 series.

The thought did occur to me, to ask whether you had the correct model number, but since you were so consistent in the model being a 1611 and since there was a 1600 series, I though well maybe it is that.

Anyway, I've attached a Cisco Live presentation on the 1100 series, which does discuss their architecture and performance in some additional detail.  Cannot say whether it will answer all your questions, but it should help.  BTW, the 1161 is mentioned in the document.

fabios
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Thanks Joseph!

Very helpful although it does not answer the question of the capabilities of the switch backplane, it shows that the router/switch interconnection is a 2.5 Gbps one. It also shows a few other items of interest in showcasing the series.

I believe this series is a bit under documented ... Maybe because is targeted to the "low" end of the customer base? 

Cheers

Fabio


@fabios wrote:

I believe this series is a bit under documented ... Maybe because is targeted to the "low" end of the customer base? 


Possibly, and/or they don't "brag" when there's nothing to "brag" about.  ; )

Did you catch the information on presentation page 21?  Which shows WAN interfaces directly connected into the SoC (which I would expect can easily handle two gig ports of bandwidth) but the Ethernet switch, on an -8P, with a 2.5 Gbps connection to same?

 


@Joseph W. Doherty wrote:


Possibly, and/or they don't "brag" when there's nothing to "brag" about.  ; )

Did you catch the information on presentation page 21?  Which shows WAN interfaces directly connected into the SoC (which I would expect can easily handle two gig ports of bandwidth) but the Ethernet switch, on an -8P, with a 2.5 Gbps connection to same?

 


I believe they do not brag about it because it would divert sales from higher platforms. It is quite capable .... the routing capability is capped by the GE interface speed, I will experiment with etherchannel since the connection between the routing engine and the switch is 2.5 Gb .... Page 21 is where I have got the info... Also the maximum routing performance is given for 1.8 Gbps.

I have achieved in excess of 900 Mbps with NAT ..!

Cheers

Fabio


@fabios wrote:

I believe they do not brag about it because it would divert sales from higher platforms. It is quite capable .... the routing capability is capped by the GE interface speed, I will experiment with etherchannel since the connection between the routing engine and the switch is 2.5 Gb .... Page 21 is where I have got the info... Also the maximum routing performance is given for 1.8 Gbps.

I have achieved in excess of 900 Mbps with NAT ..!

Cheers

Fabio


Well, if you look at page 35 of that presentation, that have CEF IMIX at 1.8 Gbps and NAT IMIX at 1.13 Gbps, for the 1161.  But with IMIX, on routers, expect thoughput to decrease if the packet mix averages smaller packets, and conversely increase with larger packets.  The deltas can be more than expected.  I attached another Cisco document, that shows performance for various routers using both different traffic mixes and services.  Take note of the maximum performance listed at the beginning of the document and the recommendations at the end of the document.  Keep in mind, the deltas, are pretty common across software based routers, just the mins and max vary much based on the specific model.

As to routing capacity limited by GE interfaces, well, even for CEF IMIX, with two duplex gig interfaces, device would need to provide 2 Gbps of throughput, so 1.8 Gbps falls a bit short.

As to the 2.5 Gbps switch interconnect, it's unclear whether that simplex or duplex bandwidth, just as sometimes Cisco will quote a gig link as providing 2 Gbps, which it is does if it's duplex, i.e. gig in both directions.

fabios
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Very interesting reading!

I actually replaced a 1921 with the 1161X-8P. Not accepting it as solution only because I am after the switch capabilities (i.e. the performance of the switch fabric in term of PPS) I am sure that in this environment (SOHO) I will not run into issue with MAC table size ....

Cheers

Fabio

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