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copy run start not a valid command ?


hello we have just booted up a cisco Aironet 3802I (AIR-AP3802I-A-K9) access point. i've connected using SSH and logged in. 

there is no copy run start cli command from what i can tell?

What am I missing here? (feeling very stupid) 

cisco AIR-AP3802I-A-K9 ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l) with 1028584/648876K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID FJC24386S0RAP Running Image     : Boot Image   : Boot Image    :
1 Multigigabit Ethernet interfaces
1 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
2 802.11 Radios
Radio Driver version :
Radio FW version :
NSS FW version : 2.4.25


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is the AP running Autonomously or Lightweight?


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Arshad Safrulla
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you are right, copy run start is not there in 3802 APs running in capwap mode. If you want to manage the AP locally you need to install or convert it to Mobility express. (mini-WLC on the AP itself) Links are as below;

Cisco Mobility Express Deployment Guide - Conversion [Cisco 5500 Series Wireless Controllers] - Cisco

Convert a Cisco CAPWAP AP to a Mobility Express AP – SemFio Networks

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I think @Arshad Safrulla has probably answered your question for you but to elaborate a bit more:
copy run start is a Cisco IOS command.  The last APs to run Cisco IOS were the Wave 1 AC models 1700/2700/3700 etc.
From the Wave 2 AC (1800/2800/3800) models all Cisco AP run a new operating system called Cisco AP-COS also referred to as simply COS or ClickOS.  So this is not IOS anymore.  There are a few CAPWAP commands which have been kept the same but the rest are gone or changed.
copy run start would only make sense on an IOS AP running autonomous (k9w7) IOS.  In the Wave 2 APs autonomous AP does not exist anymore.  Mobility Express (as described by Arshad above) is the replacement for that.  The AP runs a virtual WLC on itself and the AP joins its own virtual WLC to run standalone, similar to autonomous (requires 1 IP address for the AP and 1 IP address for the WLC).  All configuration for the AP is done on the WLC not the AP itself.  The WLC runs AireOS (cut-down version) the same as the older WLCs (2500/5500/8500).
In the WiFi 6 Catalyst 9100 series (AX) APs Mobility Express was replaced by Cisco Embedded Wireless Controller (EWC) for AP which is based on the 9800 series IOS-XE WLCs.  Again it runs on the AP in the same way as ME and all config for the AP is done on the WLC.  EWC is more full-featured than ME but still has limitations due to running on AP hardware.

TAC recommended codes for AireOS WLC's
Best Practices for AireOS WLC's
TAC recommended codes for 9800 WLC's
Best Practices for 9800 WLC's
Cisco Wireless compatibility matrix
Field Notice: FN-72424 Later Versions of WiFi 6 APs Fail to Join WLC - Software Upgrade Recommended
WARNING - see CSCwd37092 - 2800/3800/4800 series throughput degraded after upgrading to
- The fix for CSCwd37092 is in or rather and for 9800 17.3.6+APSP2 or rather 17.3.7
Field Notice: FN-63942 Lightweight APs and WLCs Fail to Create CAPWAP Connections Due to Certificate
      Expiration - Software Upgrade Recommended
Field Notice: FN-72524 - During Software Upgrade/Downgrade IOS APs Might Remain in Downloading State
     After 4 Dec 2022 Due to Certificate Expiration - Fixed in and 17.3.6+APSP5/17.3.7
     Also fixed in (8.5 mainline) and (8.5 IRCM) if you can't upgrade to 8.10
     TAC confirmed that subordinate Mobility Express APs downloading by TFTP are not affected so ME still works
     Note that and have been deferred (withdrawn) and are effectively unsupported by Cisco
Leo Laohoo's list of bugs affecting 2800/3800/4800/1560 APs
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