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Regarding AP Tx power, AP Rx sensitivity, client Tx power capabilities, and two-way communication.

derek_tracey
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Over and over my coworker and I debate the whole "client has weaker Tx power than AP" topic. We have strived to turn our AP Tx power levels down to match our client's Tx power level -- 13dBm. However, in the back of my mind, is a concept I heard from someplace (can't recall where) about the AP having a "big ear", when you crank the Tx power up. I understood this to mean that although the client might only have 13dBm Tx power capabilities, if you crank the AP's Tx power >13dBm it will be able to hear the weaker client due to its "big ear".  Would this not compensate for the client having weaker Tx power capabilities?

 

Pause for a second, I understand the idea of smaller cells for high density client environments, but in our environment we have neither high density, nor high performance requirements. We need complete, full coverage and great roaming (warehouse).

 

I was reviewing the Data Sheet for the 2800 access point, as an example to review Rx sensitivity. I noticed that all the specs are listed at full Tx power, 23dBm for the access point. Snipet below. 

 

How to interpret this? Does the AP indeed have a "big ear", so that when the Tx power is turned up to max, it has maximum Rx sensitivity? Does this inversely mean that if we have turned our Tx power down to 13dBm, we are losing Rx sensitivity? If yes, is the loss of sensitivity equal to the Tx power reduction?  

 

I am really trying to solidify my understanding of this, and then take that understanding and use it when designing future wireless coverage. Most of the design documentation that comes out is all about high performance, high density, and that does not meet my customer's business needs. Every cost is questioned, and it is hard to sell a design with a large number of APs, based on keeping cell sizes small for high client density and high performance. 

 

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patoberli
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You want to have at least -75 dB (more or less) from two APs at any cell edge, for good working roaming. Much better is -70 or stronger. So you want to avoid those extremely low signals strengths at the cell edge, or your Wi-Fi will be extremely slow.

About the hearing a weaker client, an AP typically has 3-8 antennas (the 802.11ax have up to 8, the AC models up to 4) per radio. A mobile client often has just 1 or 2 antennas. The AP can, thanks to the additional antennas, receive weaker signals than the mobile client can, even if both are set to the same signal strength.
I'm not sure about the influence of the configured power level in regards to received signal strength.

Hi Derek,
You have made a very interesting question. Unfortunately I can't give you an answer.
I'm in the same situation as you but my doubts good beyond. What happens if you are using directional antennas? Does it increase the capability to ear the the traffic sent by the client?
I hope someone could solve this doubt?

These are the main reason many wireless engineers do site surveys. With survey equipment, you actually can determine for yourself what you can get away with. Here is a simple analogy that many have used in the past, at least in the US.... TX power setting is like a dad throwing a football with his son. When the dad is close, the son is able to throw the football to his dad, when the dad backs up further, the dad can throw the football to the son, but the son is not able to. Consider this as one way communication. It doesn’t matter if you use an omni or a directional, because you are looking at the total tx power which includes the radio power and the antenna gain or EIRP. So you also look at it from the client side too. Back in the days, people use to blast the power to max to get more coverage, but wonder why wireless was slow or didn’t work in areas where you were further away from the antenna. Typically these days of high density installs, tx power is low and you have more than enough coverage so you don’t worry about this one way communication.
-Scott
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Thank you for the responses guys. I really like to think things through.

 

So why do you think Cisco includes that bit about the Tx power setting when specifying receiver sensitivity? Is receiver sensitivity inclusive of the Tx power setting?

 

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